HD Ammo?

[Apocalypsenerd]

Anyone see anything about this?

http://www.winchester.com/Products/shotshell-ammunition/supreme-elite/pdx112/Pages/S12PDX1.aspx

Should I just stick with regular buckshot?

[Reductio]

I'm not a huge fan of buck and ball loads... you normally want one, or the other.

I use 00 in flitecontrol wads from Federal, or the versiwad from Hornady (same thing).

[Dhena81]

Anyone see anything about this?

http://www.winchester.com/Products/shotshell-ammunition/supreme-elite/pdx112/Pages/S12PDX1.aspx

Should I just stick with regular buckshot?

Yup

[MossbergMan]

To quote Col. Cooper "Seems it's a solution to a problem that doesn't exist".
3 buckshot and a 1 oz. slug in one round doesn't make a lot of sense to me. It's not going to mitigate over penetration issues, in fact it increases it (any slug will). You will still have to aim and you will not get the spread of conventional buckshot.
Federal's flite-control technology controls spread, a little too much for my liking in a HD scenario. Any buckshot will give tight enough patterns in the average distance of most indoor hallways and bedrooms. The Flite-Control makes your shotgun more of a rifle at HD ranges. It's very impressive to see all 9 pellets inside the 10 ring of a B-27 target @ 20 yards out of a cylinder bore 20" Benelli S-90A1, but it also requires more skill under pressure to place those rounds on target. I understand "pellet/projectile accountability" and because LE can't call the conditions or distances they may find themselves in when they discharge their duty SG, Flite-Control makes sense. It increases the effective range of the weapons system with pretty good odds of tight patterns not inflicting "collateral damage".
I use Estate SWAT reduced recoil 00 buckshot for HD. Since being bought out by Federal they removed the shot cup (flite-contol wads). They now spread a little faster and I get 3" to 4" patterns at 10 yards. Good (read:loose) enough for multi-system traumas and still have excellent pellet accountability @ HD ranges. You have to know how your gun and ammo pattern at any given distance (must know limitations).
The easist and cheapest way to improve you SG's performance is to try different brands of ammo...first. Each gun is an individual, it will have ammo preferences.
But again the Winchester load IMO seems like nothing more than a gimmick to sell ammunition to the unconsciencely incompentent (they don't know that they don't know).

[tyrist]

A slug alone causes extreme trauma, the buckshot isn't going to really help in that regard. I guess if you missed with the slug having the buckshot loaded in there might help in the off chance they catch one of the pellets.

[mrkam]

What MossbergMan said. You're just adding recoil or sacrificing slug size if you would use a slug in the place of that round regularly. I guess the benefit of the bb's is if you miss with the slug, one of them will likely hit, but I really doubt one of those bb's are going to do much. It'll do more than nothing, but I'll take some standard 00 so that if I miss halfway, instead of having a slug graze them and a bb or two hit them, 4 or 5 bb's will hit them. And if you're really concerned about accuracy, use flite-control (at the costs MossbergMan outlined) or a slug. I'm good with full power 00 buck.

[Apocalypsenerd]

Thanks guys. It seems the gimmicks are just that. Will stick to standard loads for the 12G until some science proves otherwise.

[Sudaev]

Thanks guys. It seems the gimmicks are just that. Will stick to standard loads for the 12G until some science proves otherwise.

Gimmick loads should be avoided also because of legal reasons; if you were to be sued in a wrongful death suit, attorney Shecky Shekelberg will use this as proof that you "really wanted to kill somebody", maim them, etc. Same holds true for a criminal trial. I think Ayoob originally pointed this out.