Building a Shotgun?

[redrex]

Ok, so this is admittedly off the wall but... Building your own AR is huge craze and HD Shotguns are selling like crazy... So...

Why not a build your own shotgun?

Heck isn't the receiver on the Moss 500 aluminum? Do you know how easy it is to cast in that?

[aippi]

Are you are talking about building a receiver? Do you have the license for that. It takes a Manufacturers license. I think that is about 2K alone. I ask this because you mentioned casting a receiver. That would be a lot of jail time at club fed without that license.

People do not cast thier own AR lowers, they buy them. It is rediculose to by a new receiver to build a shotgun as they are expensive. You would have to for an AOW but not anything else. For example. A new stripped Express, Police or Wingmaster receiver from Remington is $247 plus shipping and if you are not an ffl then you have a transfer fee. You can buy an entire Express shotgun for $300. By the time you bought new parts to build an 870 you would be $500 into a $300 weapon.

So you now know why it is not done.

[chaseface]

Are you are talking about building a receiver? Do you have the license for that. It takes a Manufacturers license. I think that is about 2K alone. I ask this because you mentioned casting a receiver. That would be a lot of jail time at club fed without that license.

People do not cast thier own AR lowers, they buy them. It is rediculose to by a new receiver to build a shotgun as they are expensive. You would have to for an AOW but not anything else. For example. A new stripped Express, Police or Wingmaster receiver from Remington is $247 plus shipping and if you are not an ffl then you have a transfer fee. You can buy an entire Express shotgun for $300. By the time you bought new parts to build an 870 you would be $500 into a $300 weapon.

So you now know why it is not done.

How about the people that buy 80% AR lowers and finish them off themselves?

[meaty-btz]

Are you are talking about building a receiver? Do you have the license for that. It takes a Manufacturers license. I think that is about 2K alone. I ask this because you mentioned casting a receiver. That would be a lot of jail time at club fed without that license.

People do not cast thier own AR lowers, they buy them. It is rediculose to by a new receiver to build a shotgun as they are expensive. You would have to for an AOW but not anything else. For example. A new stripped Express, Police or Wingmaster receiver from Remington is $247 plus shipping and if you are not an ffl then you have a transfer fee. You can buy an entire Express shotgun for $300. By the time you bought new parts to build an 870 you would be $500 into a $300 weapon.

So you now know why it is not done.

You can legally manufacture a firearm for personal use as long as it does not cross into any of the "restricted" forms during the process. People buy 80% lowers all the time and machine them for themselves. You can also machine your own from scratch all the way through. No serial, no registration. For those of the F-the-man, its kinda fun. AK's are built from pre-cut "flats". The person making the flat into a receiver is manufacturing the receiver. This goes for rifles, pistols, and shotguns alike.

[redrex]

So why aren't we rolling our own then?

What would be the legality of someone coming to your place and using your tools to cast their own receiver?

[FatalKitty]

Are you are talking about building a receiver? Do you have the license for that. It takes a Manufacturers license. I think that is about 2K alone. I ask this because you mentioned casting a receiver. That would be a lot of jail time at club fed without that license.

People do not cast thier own AR lowers, they buy them. It is rediculose to by a new receiver to build a shotgun as they are expensive. You would have to for an AOW but not anything else. For example. A new stripped Express, Police or Wingmaster receiver from Remington is $247 plus shipping and if you are not an ffl then you have a transfer fee. You can buy an entire Express shotgun for $300. By the time you bought new parts to build an 870 you would be $500 into a $300 weapon.

So you now know why it is not done.

APPI you are usually right on, but not on this.

you need a manufacturers license to manufacture firearms for sale.
you don't need one to make them for your own personal use.
people DO make their own AR lowers. I have 3
check out http://www.tacticalmachining.com/sto...cts.php?cid=38
this is where I got my lower blanks to build upon
in fact people do this with pistol frames as well.


the main difference between doing this with an AR and with a shotgun.. is that the shotgun receiver is NOT that complicated and will probably cost more to make than buying a whole new shotgun.

[Montu]

^
interesting info there...so if you make your own lower..and end up using it in say a home defense situation are there any consequences?

[aippi]

Since you guys know these laws can you give us the codes and where we can find them?

[Justintoxicated]

Since you guys know these laws can you give us the codes and where we can find them?

Might be wrong but I thought they old made codes against things that you can not do.

[Dirtbiker]

You can buy a stripped receiver and roll you own but it would cost way more than just buying one.

I'm sure JD could sell you a stripped 870 receiver.

[aippi]

Code, Law, rule what ever it is from the BATF that says you can do this. Just stating it on the internet is not proof. I am sure there are grey areas as with all things but WHERE DOES THE BATF SAY YOU CAN DO THIS? Could be for personal use and then you can and you file a serial number with BATF, don't know but guys are saying they do know and I would like to read it from BATF. I am a dealer and have the books but it is impossible to read for more then five minutes without falling alseep or going blind. Can't find this subject.

[elSquid]

Code, Law, rule what ever it is from the BATF that says you can do this. Just stating it on the internet is not proof. I am sure there are grey areas as with all things but WHERE DOES THE BATF SAY YOU CAN DO THIS? Could be for personal use and then you can and you file a serial number with BATF, don't know but guys are saying they do know and I would like to read it from BATF. I am a dealer and have to the book but it is impossible to read for more then five minutes without falling alseep or going blind. Can't find this subject.

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/firearms-technology.html#commercial-parts-assembly

Q: Is it legal to assemble a firearm from commercially available parts kits that can be purchased via internet or shotgun news?

The gunsmithing forum of calguns has a bunch of folks who do this regularly...

-- Michael

[aippi]

[swifty]

(A6)
Does the GCA prohibit anyone
from making a handgun, shotgun
or rifle?

With certain exceptions a firearm
may be made by a nonlicensee provided
it is not for sale and the maker
is not prohibited from possessing
firearms. However, a person is prohibited
from assembling a nonsporting
semi-automatic rifle or nonsporting
shotgun from imported parts. In addition,
the making of an NFA firearm
requires a tax payment and approval
by ATF. An application to make a
machinegun will not be approved
unless documentation is submitted
showing that the firearm is being
made for a Federal or State agency.
[18 U.S.C. 922(o) and (r), 26 U.S.C.
5822, 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and
479.105]

Page 176 ~ ATF

[elSquid]

I don't feel its worth the risk. Also, home shop makers need to be very careful about their designs. Many types of designs are illegal as they are "readily convertible" to a machine gun. For example, it is illegal to make a gun that fires from an open bolt. How does one know if ATF is cool with a design, unless one first submits the design to FTB?

The link I gave is intended to show how to legally build up an ex-MG parts kit. It's quite explicit.

I would also add that you made the weapon and once you are gone from this rock that weapon is illegal as it can not be transfered to anyone.

Completely untrue. The link I gave also discusses that scenario:

Individuals manufacturing sporting-type firearms for their own use need not hold Federal Firearms Licenses (FFLs). However, we suggest that the manufacturer at least identify the firearm with a serial number as a safeguard in the event that the firearm is lost or stolen. Also, the firearm should be identified as required in 27 CFR 478.92 if it is sold or otherwise lawfully transferred in the future.

If you aren't interested, fine. But plenty of folks build their own guns; it's a well known practice and is completely legal.

-- Michael