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  • c-mac
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2010
    • 23

    Benelli M4 Collapsible Stock

    Just a note because I am getting a bit tired of the ripoff artists making accessories unaffordable for the average shooter.

    If you are LE or Gov., the Benelli M4 Collapsible Stock is $150.00 from Benelli or a few of the Gov. sites.

    Not $300, $250, $450 or no, not even $600.

    ONE HUNDRED FIFTY US DOLLARS.

    I don't mind folks making a profit, but there is a certain point where this becomes unethical.

    Flame away o' scammers.
  • #2
    fennecfrank
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2010
    • 1787

    before you put that collapsible stock on, take a look at this:

    CHAPTER 2.3. ROBERTI-ROOS ASSAULT WEAPONS CONTROL ACT OF 1989
    ARTICLE 1. GENERAL PROVISIONS

    12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

    (6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
    (A) A folding or telescoping stock.
    (B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.



    you just can't have both. either remove the pistol grip, or make the collapsible stock "un-collapsible".

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    • #3
      451040
      Senior Member
      • Dec 2009
      • 2169

      Originally posted by c-mac
      Just a note because I am getting a bit tired of the ripoff artists making accessories unaffordable for the average shooter.
      "They" can't rip you off if you don't pay the inflated price.

      Originally posted by c-mac
      I don't mind folks making a profit, but there is a certain point where this becomes unethical.
      Unethical? It's economics 101.

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      • #4
        c-mac
        Junior Member
        • Jul 2010
        • 23

        Originally posted by 451040
        "They" can't rip you off if you don't pay the inflated price.



        Unethical? It's economics 101.
        All true to a degree, which is why I would rather spread the word and help my fellow shooter than screw them.

        I met a few guys that qualify for the reduced price who grossly overpaid. Their fault since in the end- "knowledge is power". But I feel bad for good people. Yes, and now they are pissed.

        And a small quibble; 300-400% markup is not only unethical. It's bad business.

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        • #5
          NorCalAthlete
          Senior Member
          • Jul 2010
          • 1799

          Got a link to these sites?
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          • #6
            c-mac
            Junior Member
            • Jul 2010
            • 23

            Originally posted by NorCalAthlete
            Got a link to these sites?
            Here is the link to a discussion with folks that know this stuff pretty well;

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            • #7
              tacticalcity
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Aug 2006
              • 10916

              Originally posted by c-mac
              "If you are LE or Gov."
              The flaw in your argument is in the argument itself. How much do they charge for civilians? Do they even offer it as an aftermarket part to civilians? Just because .01% of the population can get it for the price you are listing does not mean people who charge over that amount are "ripping people off".

              I only charge a tiny markup on all my products. But some manufacturers charge their dealers more than they charge LE and Military customers. In which case I would be above the LE and Military price as would everyone else. Nobody is ripping anybody off. That is how the manufacturer wants it. They are being extremely gracious and taking a loss with LE and Military and make it up with their civilian customers. That is not the retailers decision.

              As LE or Military you should be contactig manufacturers first in order to take advantage of any industry specific discounts they offer to you. But expecting retailers to offer them below that amount or even close to that amount is ridiculous. It makes no sense at all.

              Just a little devil's advocacy for you.

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              • #8
                c-mac
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2010
                • 23

                Originally posted by tacticalcity
                The flaw in your argument is in the argument itself.
                Problem is there are also a fair amount of folks selling to LE/Gov. and still making a profit (albeit smaller and BTW which I have no problem with) then selling the same item to others for an extraordinary markup (which I take issue with and apparently so does Benelli). There are also a fair degree of folks with access to these items as LE/Gov. who are turning them at a huge profit (which Benelli takes issue with also).

                So the question becomes why pay that large an amount once the knowledge of discounted seller cost is in the open? The answer is- there is no reason too unless you are desperate or simply don't give a fig.

                Now to make the M4 922r compliant (when changing the stock) is hard due to part counts. But there seem to be an awful lot of shooters at the range with Benelli collapsible stocks- and they are not just LE/Gov.

                Just sayin...

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                • #9
                  NorCalAthlete
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2010
                  • 1799

                  Originally posted by c-mac
                  Problem is there are also a fair amount of folks selling to LE/Gov. and still making a profit (albeit smaller and BTW which I have no problem with) then selling the same item to others for an extraordinary markup (which I take issue with and apparently so does Benelli). There are also a fair degree of folks with access to these items as LE/Gov. who are turning them at a huge profit (which Benelli takes issue with also).

                  So the question becomes why pay that large an amount once the knowledge of discounted seller cost is in the open? The answer is- there is no reason too unless you are desperate or simply don't give a fig.

                  Now to make the M4 922r compliant (when changing the stock) is hard due to part counts. But there seem to be an awful lot of shooters at the range with Benelli collapsible stocks- and they are not just LE/Gov.

                  Just sayin...
                  Even if it's 922r compliant don't you still have to pin the stock? Wouldn't it still be an AOW or AW or whatever?
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                  • #10
                    louscamaro91
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 3522

                    Originally posted by NorCalAthlete
                    Even if it's 922r compliant don't you still have to pin the stock? Wouldn't it still be an AOW or AW or whatever?

                    Yes the stock has to be pinned or fixed in a way the stock can't collapse.

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                    • #11
                      NorCalAthlete
                      Senior Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 1799

                      Still a lot better than the full one imo. I like the minimalist look and weight.
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                      • #12
                        PEBKAC
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 1026

                        Heh. $250 - $400 is a bargain.

                        In the months immediately following Obama's election they were going for between $850 - $1100.
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                        • #13
                          NorCalAthlete
                          Senior Member
                          • Jul 2010
                          • 1799

                          lol nice screen name PEBKAC....hahahaha.
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                          • #14
                            c-mac
                            Junior Member
                            • Jul 2010
                            • 23

                            Yeah there sure seem to be quite a few at the ranges without pins. Which means they must be LE or in violation of the ridiculous 922r?

                            Funny how a guy with a US made gun+evil features can stand next to a guy with a similar imported gun with evil features and the latter is in violation of the law.

                            Because I don't believe there are enough US made M4-Super 90 parts until Geiselle releases their trigger. Correct?

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                            • #15
                              c-mac
                              Junior Member
                              • Jul 2010
                              • 23

                              Originally posted by louscamaro91
                              Yes the stock has to be pinned or fixed in a way the stock can't collapse.
                              In NY, you are allowed two evil features on a semi-automatic shotgun. Collapsible stock and pistol grip are two. Provided your barrel length is correct and rounds are limited to 5 that's it on an M4. So I am not sure why the stock would need to be pinned.

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