My Saiga 12 cycles birdshot on "1" is this a problem?

[Some Guy]

I'm concerned that my Saiga might beat itself up when shooting magnum rounds. Should I replace the gas plug? If so any recommendations?

[BoonieGhost]

You could go with an Auto-Plug from TAC-47 Industries, but due to the nature of possible future rarity issues of the Saiga-12, I no longer run magnum loads through mine. Not that the S-12 is weak by any means, just stick with 2-3/4 Buck, slug or shot. You'll be fine. Just save all your magnum loads for a pump or something without a gas system like a semi-auto, or consult the infinite wisdom of those on the Saiga-12 forums.

[chaseface]

You should be totally fine. What number shot are you using? I can shoot some 7 1/2 on setting 1 with mine, but most #8 need to be on setting 2. You should have NO problems shooting magnum loads with your shotgun, the rounds used in Russia are a greater strength than ours, which is why notoriously some Saigas have issues with American low-brass.

Edit: if you see any signs of your internals getting beaten up, thats when you should worry

[Thefeeder]

You should be totally fine. What number shot are you using? I can shoot some 7 1/2 on setting 1 with mine, but most #8 need to be on setting 2. You should have NO problems shooting magnum loads with your shotgun, the rounds used in Russia are a greater strength than ours, which is why notoriously some Saigas have issues with American low-brass.

Edit: if you see any signs of your internals getting beaten up, thats when you should worry

School me on the Siaga.....why the differance in the setting with the different shot size?

[vintagedude88]

Mine cycles anything, all on setting one. However this only happend after I had the bolt and carrier profiled and polished. I did put on a low recoil spring to help cycle the lighter loads. Because of the spring, I can only use 2-3/4" shells. However, for what I use it for, I don't see a need to run 3" shells.

[SparrowHanger]

School me on the Siaga.....why the differance in the setting with the different shot size?

Per this link the different settings regulate the amount of gas fed into the system. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?...-gas-settings/
Setting 1 allows less gas and is for magnum loads. Firing Magnums on 2 can literally hammer your system.

[Thefeeder]

Per this link the different settings regulate the amount of gas fed into the system. http://forum.saiga-12.com/index.php?...-gas-settings/
Setting 1 allows less gas and is for magnum loads. Firing Magnums on 2 can literally hammer your system.

Why does 7 1/2 shot need to be on #1 and #8 shot need to be on 2?

Thats the part that I don't understand

[SparrowHanger]

Why does 7 1/2 shot need to be on #1 and #8 shot need to be on 2?

Thats the part that I don't understand

Not sure why the poster believes that. I don't have a Saga 12, but I believe the regulator simply allows the shooter to select a smaller aperature to route gases through. What I call a mechanical diverter. If I understand correctly, the difference between the sizes of the two shots shouldn't make much difference, if they weight of shot load and Dram of propellant are equal. for instance 1 1/8 oz of #7 and 1 1/18 oz of # 8 would have roughtly the same resistance to an equal Dram equvalent of propellant.

Anyhow, I believe when postion 2 is selected gases are routed through the larger aperature and I imagine that would allow more gases to more quickly enter into the cycling system, which would be a problem if the amount and velocity of those gases are minimal.

It seems the reason for the two selections is that one should limit the amount of gaseous energy entering into the system when firing heavy loads to prevent unnecessary wear an tear on mechanisms.

[Thefeeder]

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Now I get it!

Its not the size of the shot that regulates which setting to use.

Its the Dram Equivalent being used which regulates which setting to use

Yea learn something every day

[chaseface]

Dram Equivalent yes, but you will find that Slugs and Buck work on almost everyones setting number 1 and once you get into the cheap bulk stuff, which is normally #7 1/2 or 8, most people need to switch it over to #2. For some reason, every brand that I have tried #8 with I need to use setting 2 but with 7 1/2 this isnt always the case. However it depends on the quality of ammunition, and the internal friction of the firearm, which is why Vintagedude can fire anything out of his on setting 1 because he had his internals polished.

[Shady]

get a MD ARMS V BLOCK

5 settings instead of 2

[chaseface]

Do you prefer the V block over the autoplug?

[BoonieGhost]

Do you prefer the V block over the autoplug?

The V Plug is what the gun should have come from the factory with. The Auto Plug on the other hand is a completely different concept. You install it, set it & forget it. With a lil lock-tite in place, you never have to worry about making adjustments again once you have it properly tuned.

The Auto Plug gives you the ability to use both high & low base brass in Buck, slug & shot without ever having to make any manual adjustments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIeY5Q2pjs

[chaseface]

The V Plug is what the gun should have come from the factory with. The Auto Plug on the other hand is a completely different concept. You install it, set it & forget it. With a lil lock-tite in place, you never have to worry about making adjustments again once you have it properly tuned.

The Auto Plug gives you the ability to use both high & low base brass in Buck, slug & shot without ever having to make any manual adjustments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DIeY5Q2pjs

If you use locktite how do you take it apart to clean it?

[BoonieGhost]

If you use locktite how do you take it apart to clean it?

Unscrew it like any other threaded item. Just reapply some loc-tite when you put it back in. You dont have to clean an S-12 very often anyway...