saiga 12 mag limit?

[Onlyincali]

probably a dumb question....but...

Is the 10 round limit the same for shotgun magazines as rifle mags? IE: limited to 10 unless owned pre-ban? Or is that just a centerfire rifle rule?

[mlatino]

Although bullet buttoned, semi-automatic shotguns are not limited to mag capacity. You can use your legally acquired 20 round drums...

[Agro]

Yet no 20 round drum existed prior to 2000

[RustyMacHine]

probably a dumb question....but...

Is the 10 round limit the same for shotgun magazines as rifle mags? IE: limited to 10 unless owned pre-ban? Or is that just a centerfire rifle rule?

Were you at the range (Chabot) last Friday?
If you were I may have discussed this with you already.

[Onlyincali]

No, I was not at the range last friday, but would have love to have this conversation.

1. So can one assemble a SHOTGUN magazine over 10 rounds, or does the 10 round limit apply to both centerfire and shotgun mags as far as NOT selling/assembling them. If one can not assemble/sell a shotgun mag over 10, then explaining a 20round drum may be difficult.....right?

2. So the BB has no limiting factor to the mag round count, as it does with rifles...right?


edit- If anyone has a link to the PC or a similiar thread i'd be glad to read it instead of asking here. I searched and couldn't find anything. Thanks

[Shady]

not this again

[Onlyincali]

As stated in my last post, If you could kindly link to a thread/post with the answers I'd study it. I searched and could not find anything....Maybe I fail at searching, but I did try. I am familiar with the centerfire rifle rules, but dont know how that differes with shotguns(or rimfire for that matter).

[Barbarossa]

Every thread I've seen on this topic ends up getting FUD'ed up an giving me an inconclusive answer.

[SJgunguy24]

For the 100th time. Here is the PC, look it up on the DOJ website under Dangerous Weapons control laws.
I'll highlight the sections that pertain to this question.



12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
[B](6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder. [/B]

As you can see, magazine capacity is referenced in the AW definitions for handguns and centerfire rifles. It is NOT referenced for shotguns anywhere. Therefore, no mag capacity limit exists for any semi auto non detachable shotguns.

[Sicarius]

Shotgun AW rules have nothing to do with centerfire AW rules. The only constant is that you CANNOT import or manufacture ANY hi capacity magazine for any firearm rifle/shotgu/handgun.
Shotguns in CA are not restricted by the ammout of rounds that it can hold. If you had a preban drum mag, you can legally use it with a bullet button on a semi-auto shotgun.
Since the Saiga 12 drum mags never existed pre 2k, you cannot legally assemble a hi cap mag for the saiga or import it into the state unless you are LEO.
I am no lawyer but that is the forums collective wisedom of the understanding of the law.
There are more rules with folding/telescoping stocks and semi-auto shotguns but since this was magazine related thread that is the gist. Read up on the rest of the rules so you don't get into trouble.
Here:

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

[Quiet]

1. So can one assemble a SHOTGUN magazine over 10 rounds, or does the 10 round limit apply to both centerfire and shotgun mags as far as NOT selling/assembling them. If one can not assemble/sell a shotgun mag over 10, then explaining a 20round drum may be difficult.....right?

2. So the BB has no limiting factor to the mag round count, as it does with rifles...right?

1. If you assemble a greater than 10 round shotgun magazine (that is not a tubular magazine for a lever-action shotgun), then that would be manufacturing a large capacity magazine (felony). [PC 12020(a)(2)]

Since, large capacity Saiga-12 magazines did not exist prior to 2005, it would be very difficult to explain how a non-exempt person legally acquired such a magazine.

Exempt persons (LEOs, etc) can legally acquire large capacity Saiga-12 magazines and legally use them in a magazine locked Saiga-12, since the use of such does not create an assault weapon.

2. Yes. Shotgun magazine capacity is not affected by CA assault weapons laws. [PC 12276.1]

[Onlyincali]

thank you sir, I greatly appriciate your time/replies.

[stix213]

Since, large capacity Saiga-12 magazines did not exist prior to 2005, it would be very difficult to explain how a non-exempt person legally acquired such a magazine.

Yep, unless you are LEO or otherwise exempted you are kinda stuck at 10 rounds legally due to no +10 round mags for saiga-12 existing before the import/sell/manufacture ban.

[nicki]

Shotgun mag limits

Shotguns may not have a magazine capacity limit.

Problem is you run into the "feeding device" issue. You are okay for the shotgun, but you are "felony" if you have an above 10 round feeding device since non existed prior to 2000 for SAIGA 12.

We are going to have to wait till we get courts to overturn mag restrictions here in Cali.

Nicki

[ivsamhell]

Shotguns may not have a magazine capacity limit.

Problem is you run into the "feeding device" issue. You are okay for the shotgun, but you are "felony" if you have an above 10 round feeding device since non existed prior to 2000 for SAIGA 12.

We are going to have to wait till we get courts to overturn mag restrictions here in Cali.

Nicki

Its not illegal to have one, or more importantly to use one. Maybe you're out shooting with someone exempt(LEO), maybe you found one....

Yes legally obtaining them is not going to be common, but its perfectly legal to use them.