Ithaca 37 Clone Back at Big 5 - $239

[smittty]

They are advertising a few different models of this gun now, $199-$269 for the combo. Fit and finish is pretty darn good but I think they are just too darn heavy. I'm stopping myself from getting one!

[3GunFunShooter]

Keep on buying that Commie Crap boys, it's your kids and grandkids that will be reading Mao's Little Red Book. Thanks for selling out American manufacturing.

[3006mv]

reductio ad absurdum

Keep on buying that Commie Crap boys, it's your kids and grandkids that will be reading Mao's Little Red Book. Thanks for selling out American manufacturing.

Again politics aside. At least my grandkids will have something for them to pry from their cold dead hands, the other being an empty Austrian Glock with slide locked back. Point being it is made in China but imported by an Ameican company. Can you say you have never bought anything in a Walmart where more than 50% of their products are made in China? Or used a computer or phone or tv w/ parts made anywhere else but the USA?

[3GunFunShooter]

I have a Glock, 2 XDs, Benelli shot gun, a Beretta pistol and a Para. I also have S&W's, Rugers, Remingtons, and Marilin, Stag & JP. I just will not buy a weapon made in China, and I do try not to buy products made there. I have seen first hand what their products made for the transportation industry can do or not do. Heavy duty brake drums, axles, springs, air brake pots, all have had serious failure issues which could of led to major accidents. By the time we replaced all the parts it would of been cheaper to of bought American and not had any failure issues. Just not worth the risk buying the products made in China. Having a controled explosion a couple inches from my face is not worth the risk to me and supporting a communist country in the weapons trade is against my beliefs.
And I do not buy Wolf ammo or primers.

[aippi]

Mike -There are reasons you are not reading more. First, thankfully American gun buyers are not buying many of these and the guys that do are not shooters. The clone buyers for the most part buy them for price and do not generally spend hundreds of dollars on ammo to shoot these guns each month. If they did put these guns through that kind of range time there would be more issues. Yes, I know there are exceptions so before anyone pipes in about the million rounds he has shot through his china clone, understand I am taking about general buyers of these products.

Competetion shooters put in some serious trigger time and it is doubtful that these clones are common in these matches. Three gun, Trap, Skeet, Sporting clays and Cowboy shooters burn more ammo in a year then most LE Departments. Count the clones next time you are at a match.

I have posted about the china clone coach guns and these were my only expiriences because I was stupid enough to sell some one time. Rails blew off and got shooters put off the range, hammers broke and one would not even accept the 20ga shells it was designed for. the worst part was the warranty on these started when they left the factory not when sold and I had purchased them wholesale three days after the one years warranty ran out on one of them. the Importer was Norinco and they would not make good on that one but did replace the rail for one buyer and an extractor for another. Four weapons and four major issues. Since this Expirience I have not and never will again be associated in any way with these imports.

The one exception was the Long dong chong Machine works China 37 I shot. I posted how accurate and smooth it was, however, I have no desire to own it nor would I trust to last.

We can not avoid China goods in our retail stores. We can however make smart decisions and work the numbers. That Mossberg or Remington is going to cost you more and if you understand why you will pay it and have a weapon that still be rocking in 30 years instead of risking the unknown. If you are unable to factor in service life when making major purchases then you are never going to be a smart consumer.

[smittty]

How do you feel about products made in other countries such as Japan, Italy, Germany, Austria, etc?

Or, how do you feel about, Browning, Beretta, SIG, Glock?

[3GunFunShooter]

I have no problem with quality products made in non-communist countries that are not engaged in widespread industrial spying, copyright infringment, patent violations, and whose goal is to challenge the USA for domination of sea lanes, block and limit our access to basic and stragetic materials, and who could easily hold the US hostage with the amount of debt we owe them.

[xrMike]

Mike -There are reasons you are not reading more. First, thankfully American gun buyers are not buying many of these and the guys that do are not shooters. The clone buyers for the most part buy them for price and do not generally spend hundreds of dollars on ammo to shoot these guns each month. If they did put these guns through that kind of range time there would be more issues. Yes, I know there are exceptions so before anyone pipes in about the million rounds he has shot through his china clone, understand I am taking about general buyers of these products.

Competetion shooters put in some serious trigger time and it is doubtful that these clones are common in these matches. Three gun, Trap, Skeet, Sporting clays and Cowboy shooters burn more ammo in a year then most LE Departments. Count the clones next time you are at a match.

I have posted about the china clone coach guns and these were my only expiriences because I was stupid enough to sell some one time. Rails blew off and got shooters put off the range, hammers broke and one would not even accept the 20ga shells it was designed for. the worst part was the warranty on these started when they left the factory not when sold and I had purchased them wholesale three days after the one years warranty ran out on one of them. the Importer was Norinco and they would not make good on that one but did replace the rail for one buyer and an extractor for another. Four weapons and four major issues. Since this Expirience I have not and never will again be associated in any way with these imports.

The one exception was the Long dong chong Machine works China 37 I shot. I posted how accurate and smooth it was, however, I have no desire to own it nor would I trust to last.

We can not avoid China goods in our retail stores. We can however make smart decisions and work the numbers. That Mossberg or Remington is going to cost you more and if you understand why you will pay it and have a weapon that still be rocking in 30 years instead of risking the unknown. If you are unable to factor in service life when making major purchases then you are never going to be a smart consumer.

Thanks for your input, aippi. I appreciate it. I probably qualify as one of your "non-shooters" since I've had my brand new Interstate Hawk 982 in the safe for close to 6 months now and haven't even taken it out to shoot yet...

I am reconsidering my feelings about "cheap" vs. "American made" too, having seen a lot of jobs go away in my field in the last couple years. So if I had to buy over again, I'd probably do differently.

[-hanko]

That may not be correct. Example: Norinco 1911s were well thought of, and Wilson Combat has built many custom guns using one as a base...

Some Most folks feel that Polytech M14s are better base guns than Springfield's M1A... <shrug>

-- Michael

Norinco's were popular since they were the cheapest decent platform you could use to build a race gun...they were pretty close to original GI dimensions.

Not to mention Norinco was the PRC's government-owned producer...they made good stuff from the MAK's to NHM's to the 1911 clone. I've no idea where the Chinese 870 and 37 clones originate.

Fixed the Polytech comment

That is your opinion and you have no way of proving one is better or worse than the other.

It's possible that some of these cheap guns could be "higher" quality. Years ago when Norinco 1911's were being imported it was discovered that they were using steel that was higher grade than many "better" brands here in the US. For this reason some 1911 fans consider these chinese copies to be superior.

It's possible!

Possible is one thing, Probable another.

Personally, I'd take a used Wingmaster or Model 37 before I even thought about a new Chinese clone of either.


-hanko

[john.t.singh]

Has anyone actually shot this and can provide feedback? Regardless of where it's made it's an affordable shotgun. If it's at all reliable I rather pick one up from big5 and have one then save up for a mossy or 870 and not have one when I needed it....

[beaster]

After reading through these posts I feel guilty of a crime. I got dazzled by the $229 price tag and jumped on board. I've been drooling over Mossbergs and Remingtons for months now, trying to decide on which rig I wanted for HD, then this deal came along. The topper was it just felt better in my hands then the other makes I 'tried on' for size. I can only hope that the fact it was manufactured in the PRC for an American company, that someone's job over here will remain intact. I wonder if the Remington 1100 and Browning Citori in my armory will protest?