Benelli M1014 question

[DanHuuN]

So I recently picked up a Benelli M1014 (with Flag) and I also purchased the Benelli Collapsible stock for it. I know that if I install the stock on the tube it is illegal since is semi-collapses when removing it from the tube. (The Benelli M1014 has a tube with a notch for the collapsible stock to fit on but not fully collapse.

Nevertheless would it be legal for me to pin the stock in place making it not collapsible and non-removable?

I'm thinking of buying the collapsible tube and fixing it in the "middle" LOP.

Ideas? thanks

[Mesa Tactical]

If the recoil spring housing has only one notch for a single position, the stock will not collapse and so you are good to go.

[mmrx2]

The atf told Benelli years ago that their m1014 skeleton stock did collapse, so they stopped bringing them in to civilians and offered a free replacement to the current m4 single piece stock. According to benelli, only leo and military are suppose to have the collapsing stocks. The m1014 stock does collapse a 1/4 inch or so when removing it. But it was never designed as a collapsing stock on the m1014. I guess Benelli just gave in to the man. I don't know if you could get in trouble for that 1/4 inch movement but you'd definitely be good if it were pinned. I've seen a couple m1014s around but haven't heard of anyone getting in trouble yet. I'd just pin it to be safe. The slotted tube can get pretty pricey on gunbroker when you can find them. Might be more cost effective to just sell the m1014 and buy a m4. m1014s are more limited and maybe you could sell it at a premium to someone.

[Mesa Tactical]

A quarter inch of movement is not a collapsing stock.

[DanHuuN]

A quarter inch of movement is not a collapsing stock.

Are we sure on this one? Because I remember reading on another forum; Movement is movement. Nevertheless, I am buying the 3 position tube and will permanently fix the stock in the "middle" position.

[louscamaro91]

Good luck getting the stock m1014 tube off. I have one as well and considered buying a factory 3 position tube. I have read that the factory tube on the m1014 is permanently attached..

Let me know if your successful.

[Ding126]

save your money....
The skeleton stock may look cool but the pistol grip stock is the way to go. Much more comfortable to shoot with.

This from my experience and my opinion.

[mmrx2]

A quarter inch of movement is not a collapsing stock.

I think your right, but if some gung ho officer wanted to bust you, he probably could and then you'd have give a bunch of money to some attorney to prove your point.

[CDMJ]

save your money....
The skeleton stock may look cool but the pistol grip stock is the way to go. Much more comfortable to shoot with.

This from my experience and my opinion.

+1.

The collapsible stocks are very uncomfortable. Even if it is a fixed stock that is designed to look like the collapsible stock I assure you no matter what position it is in, it is uncomfortable to shoot with. You are better off installing the fixed PG stock or picking up the fixed PG stock from Mesa.

[adamsreeftank]

You can pin the semi-collapsing stock on the original tube by filing a shallow groove for the roll pin to go in. You just need to determine what length of pull you want and file the groove at the right angle, which is not 90.

[CALI-gula]

A quarter inch of movement is not a collapsing stock.

I recall quite well, as I bought 2 of the first 2500 that had this stock (with the US Flag on the receiver): I still own one of them. While Bill Lockyer "did not like" the skeleton-style stock (kind of a fixed/speudo-collapsible looking stock designed to look like the collapsible stock) he stopped short of calling it illegal.

He sent a whining letter to Benelli and did convince Benelli at the time to stop sending those shotguns with that skeleton stock, that if turned to one side, did collapse about 1/4" - but it wasn't really useful in that turn cock-eyed position. However, he did not call them illegal nor are they banned in any such way. He had an opinion, nothing more, and abused his power to apply it to firearms (as he did many,many times).

A lot of gun stores jumped into Lockyer's brew of FUD-pit, also being IMPRESSED upon that to sell them was illegal - IT WASN'T, it ISN'T and Lockyer never said they were illegal to sell or own. He just didn't like them.

But he also doesn't like OLLs or OLRs in any form either.

If you got them you can keep them, and keep them the way they were made. They are NOT illegal.

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[Hitman]

If yours has the flag on the receiver I think that has the non collapsable tube or one position (open) setting.

Those without the flag are the ones that have the 3 position tubes.

I refered to this link:

http://www.benelliusa.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25064

[CALI-gula]

+1.

The collapsible stocks are very uncomfortable. Even if it is a fixed stock that is designed to look like the collapsible stock I assure you no matter what position it is in, it is uncomfortable to shoot with. You are better off installing the fixed PG stock or picking up the fixed PG stock from Mesa.

This is correct too. The skeleton stock designed to look like the collapsible stock is kind of a gimmick that looks tacti-cool but not nearly as comfortable or useful as a regular butt-stock.

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[CALI-gula]

HAH! In my attempt to Google for the letter Lockyer coughed up at that time, I found one of my old ads from 2007 for the one that I sold right here on Calguns!: See below:


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SOLD!!!


Benelli M1014 (M4) Semi-Auto 12-Gauge Shotgun - BRAND NEW IN BOX - NEVER FIRED!!! - $1695

This is the Limited Edition U.S. Marine version 11701 with beautiful engraving of the U.S. Flag on the receiver, one of only 2500 ever made.

One of the first 2500 made available to the public. These first 2500 are very hard to find and few ever come up for sale; they are not available from Benelli anymore. These first 2500 had the skeletonized stock and only a few made it to CA before Bill Lockyer of the CA DOJ contacted Benelli to persuade them not to send any more to CA with this stock, even though they were (and still are) CA legal.

This one is in brand new condition in its box but does have a minor blemish of a darker spot in the finish with a discolored line running through the spot on the top of the barrel, as can be seen in the photos attached in this thread. It almost looks like case-coloring, but it's not a scratch and it's not corrosion - it's just a weird discoloration in the finish and IT CAME FROM BENELLI THAT WAY!! Skeletonized Stock (non-collapsing but NO LONGER AVAILABLE and the actual collapsing stocks are only available to LEO and military).

Caliber: 12 gauge, accepts 2-3/4" AND 3" standard and magnum loads.
Barrel Length: 18.5"
Overall Length: 39.8"
Weight: 8.42 lbs. empty.
Safety: Ambidextrous manual cross bolt.
Magazine Capacity: Six 3" shells seven 23/4", plus one chambered round can be unloaded without cycling through the action.
Buttstock: Modular telescopic with removable pistol grip.
Sights: Adjustable aperture rear and fixed post front, radius 23.7"
"When the U.S. Marine Corps went shopping for a combat shotgun, they bought a Benelli. That’s because a combat shotgun has to function the first time, every time.

Benelli engineers developed and patented a unique auto-regulating gas-operated (ARGO) system. Dual stainless steel, self-cleaning pistons located just ahead of the chamber operate directly against the bolt assembly. The stainless steel pistons are required to move only 1/2" for complete cycling, which results in a faster operation, with minimum vibration and quick target acquisition. It’s a simple and dependable system that eliminates the complex linkage, springs and heavy parts that other semi-automatic shotguns have to depend on. The result: Marine-tough reliability under the harshest environmental conditions.

The M4 comes standard with a Picatinny rail for optics, a ghost-ring fully adjustable rear sight and fixed blade front sight. Ghost-ring sights are click-adjustable using a cartridge rim. A Picatinny rail allows the mounting of scopes, red dot sights, or night vision optics.

Benelli M1014 (M4) - BRAND NEW IN BOX - NEVER FIRED!!! - $1695

[Dhena81]

If your going for looks that's one thing I won't question but I will tell you the Mesa Tactical's Urbino stock is shorter than the original and I love it.