Which Shotgun?

[santamonica9]

i love my mossberg 500 - that pump action noise just scares anyone away that is if you want to go with the pump vs. semi auto. My HD gun is a 500 with side saddle ready with 3 slugs & 3 buckshot, a flashlight already mounted on the gun too

[TheKlawMan]

last, you being an expert gun owner, it should be your job to inform new gun owners the correct legal ramification about self protection. not just tell them what is the coolest toy that is currently available on the market. you seem to be a very stand up kind of guy, so no offense taken.

You must be kidding. While AIPPI is clearly expert in the guns he deals in, and I wouldn't be surprised that he knows his own state's gun laws about as well as anyone,

1. Even attorneys specializing in gun law cannot agree on all issues and

2. It may be foolish of him to pontificate on specific gun laws on the net, as opposed to speaking withh someone in person. If you post on a message board, who knows who is going to come along and misunderstand what you said or the context in which it was said. But if you speak with someone in person you are better able to ensure that they grasp your meaning.

Lastly where in the heck did AIPPI assume any duty to explain the law to anyone? Because he has generously shared tips on the use and care of guns?

[wu_dot_com]

LOL! I would LOVE to see you come out to the bad parts of the Bay Area, CA and see if you with a bat can handle the problem. HAHA... That's pretty hilarious. People in the ghetto areas around here have AK's, AR15's etc. I also don't live in San Francisco and you say that the bad areas around the Bay Area, CA aren't as bad as South Central or Compton. LMAO! Tell me how you know this. I bet you've never been to Central Richmond, North Richmond, East Oakland, or Hunters Point in SF. Another thing... those places are completely different worlds when the sun goes down.
Now as for where I live... It used to be a really good area and for the most part it still is. However, things happen and on December 4th a 9 year old girl was shot in the neck and their house was right down the street. There's also a projects about 5 minutes away & 3 of our cars have been stolen over several years in between, but still.

you totally missed my point. are those hood rats going to invade your home with AKs or ARs? probably not, unless its gang related violence. most of the time, unless you are ready to take their life on the spot, having a gun will do you more harm than good. so like i've said before, a bat will take care of most of the problem that can happen in a practical sense. arguing what ifs are a wast of time. richmond and oaklands are truly bad so i'll stand corrected. but regardless, you dont live there, do you?

i can see why you would want to have a gun. but in case you miss my main point, i would like to suggest you to think about the entire picture of owning any gun as means of protection. what happen if your guns get stolen and what will happen if it gets use in a violent crime? what happen if you shot some bystanders? or what will happen after you shoot someone? after you have the full picture and truly understood the legal responsibility of owning a gun for protection, you can then make an inform decision as to what guns you want to own for protection, and what guns you want to own for fun. guns aren't cheap, so wouldn't you want to make the right decision the first time?

How about you give me $ to move to a better place I might not ever "need" any of those guns for home protection, but the same could be said about all the other people who own 10+ guns right? You seem to be offended that I want those guns as if you were buying them for me.

im not offended by what you want at all. i just want point out that what your wants does not align with what you said you need. read my post carefully, i did not say you don't need any guns to fulfill the need for home protection. i said, all you really need is a revolver (not a few handguns) and possibly a none modify plain pump action shotgun. i sure hope that those people who own 10+ understood that they want 10+ guns for fun and that they dont need 10+ guns for home protection. personally i've own 6+ guns currently, and to be honest, none of them are suitable for true HD need because they have all been modify. in case you want to know, i buy guns because i like guns, not because i feel the need for protection.

after all, you come here to seek opinions, i give you mine so you can judge for yourself and get what you really want. the last thing you want is to get the wrong gun and regret the decision later because you were mislead.

[remington]

Hmm. Look at my Avatar and Name and what do you think? The 870 has been around since man discovered the wheel and fire. Parts are cheap and everywhere. Pretty simple to take apart and put back together. Get a combo, when it comes to a 870, looking bad *** dont make it shoot better. Get an Express, you can then shoot skeet, trap or hunt also. If dedicated, get one the defense models. Or the the 1100 Tac-4 is pretty nice and because it weighs a little more than a house, recoil is like a 20ga.

[wu_dot_com]

You must be kidding. While AIPPI is clearly expert in the guns he deals in, and I wouldn't be surprised that he knows his own state's gun laws about as well as anyone,

1. Even attorneys specializing in gun law cannot agree on all issues and

2. It may be foolish of him to pontificate on specific gun laws on the net, as opposed to speaking withh someone in person. If you post on a message board, who knows who is going to come along and misunderstand what you said or the context in which it was said. But if you speak with someone in person you are better able to ensure that they grasp your meaning.

Lastly where in the heck did AIPPI assume any duty to explain the law to anyone? Because he has generously shared tips on the use and care of guns?

i never said AIPPI assume any duty, but since he have extensive background dealing with shotgun modifications for HD, it would be logical to think that he would have above average exposure to the legal side of things than regular gun owners like you and i. also giving the correct legal suggestion (note not advise) to using gun for protection would only help than harm his business.

i do agreed with you on the fact that often time, people misunderstood the information or the context of the message like what have happened here. but unless someone takes a active stand trying to correct those junk information and FUD thats out there, the situation will never improve.

anyway its way off topic. i will stop replying to comments like this.

[aippi]

Wu dot. Man have you tugged on the wrong rope. If you read my web site you would see it is mostly information about the correct use of these weapons so your statement about me is unfounded. I preach keep it simpl, am against all that tacti-fool mess on a shotgun. I suggested a basic 870 Home defense to the OP not some Tacti-fool weapon or as you put it "the coolest toy on the market. Do you think the 870 Express HD is the coolest toy on the market? What I said was it is one of the best values. I turn down tacti-fool builds and tell some guy wanting that mess to go somewhere else as I don't build that mess and would never recomend that mess to anyone. Aslo, what is the mess about gun laws? I never even mentioned the words gun laws in my post or anything that could be confused to refer to any gun laws.

As for the OP, doesn't matter if he needs the weapons or not. He has a right to purchase and possess whichever type of firearms he feels comfortable with. To tell him he does need them unless he starts trouble with the wrong people sounds like "anti-gun lobby" mess to me and I addressed the stupitity of the statement. Nothing against you, I don't know you and you have a right to that opinion about him not needing firearms for protection, but man I have right to call it what I think. To tell this man he does not need firearms to protect himself and his family sounds like a page out of the "anti-gun Lobby play book. I would not doubt they monitor these sites and even have plants in here. Not saying you are one but that statement sure sounds like something one of them would say....same as saying if your don't feel safe to move instead of get a gun????. That man has a right to have what ever helps him sleep better at night and not your call to tell him what he needs or doesn't need. We already have a man in the White House telling us that mess and even passing laws that fine us if we don't get what he tells us to.

To the OP. If you feel you need those weapons then get them. It is your right. I have what I feel I need and I feel safe in my home for it. I hope I never need to deploy a firearm again for the rest of my life, but they are there if needed.

[wu_dot_com]

Wu dot. Man have you tugged on the wrong rope. If you read my web site you would see it is mostly information about the correct use of these weapons so your statement about me is unfounded. I preach keep it simply, am against all that tacti-fool mess on a shotgun. I suggested a basic 870 Home defense not some Tacti-fool weapon or as you put it "the coolest toy on the market. Do you think the 870 Express HD is the coolest toy on the market? What I said was it is one of the best values. I turn down tacti-fool builds and tell some guy wanting that mess to go somewhere else as I don't build that mess and would never recomend that mess to anyone.

As for the OP, I don't care if he needs the weapons or not. He has a right to purchase and possess whichever type of firearms he feels comfortable with. To tell him he does need them unless he starts trouble with the wrong people sounds like "anti-gun lobby" mess to me and I addressed the stupitity of the statement. Nothing against you, I don't know you and you have a right to that opinion about him not needing firearms for protection, but man I have right to call it what I think. To tell this man he does not need firearms to protect himself and his family sounds like a page out of the "anti-gun Lobby play book. I would not doubt they monitor these sites and even have plants in here. Not saying you are one but that statement sure sounds like one. That man has a right to have what ever helps him sleep better at night and not your call to tell him what he needs or doesn't need. We already have a man in the White House telling us that mess and even passing laws that fine us if we don't get what he tells us to.

To the OP. If you feel you need those weapons then get them. It is your right. I have what I feel I need and I feel safe in my home for it. I hope I never need to deploy a firearm again for the rest of my life, but they are there if needed.

my bad, my comment about getting the cool toy was not directed to you. its just a statement regarding to a regular occurrence here. im sorry if i offend you unintentionally.

i've read your site a long time ago before i even join calgun. so i know what you preach about HD gun. i agreed with your logic behind the HD gun choice, which is why i said he dont need a semi auto. more moving parts, more complicated, and harder to defend in court.

im sure by now you probably can already tell that i am not an anti gun pu$$y (anti gun person will never recommend a shotgun capable of slam fire). i went on explaining to OP my research results on each of the legal suggestion of using his initial choice of firearm for HD. i also went on to suggest him a recommend list of firearm for HD so he can have a peace of mind. i've said what i've said because OP is asking for a lot of firepower for HD use (few HGs, semi auto shotgun, and an assult rifle... this is not scarface). this will not look favorably in court if he is ever in a situation where he needs to use them, this is specially true in the hippie central (central CA area).

[wu_dot_com]

OP. Check out the Remington HD model 25077. Comes with 18.5" bead sight barrel in Cyl Bore, Remington LE 2 shot extension, Speedfeed LE forend and Remington Synthetic stock. This is the same weapon most customizers build on including Wilson Combat, me and some others. You can find them for around $330 to $350 and yes, this is the same 870 Big Five calls the 870 Security Model. This weapon is the best value in a home defense shotgun.

i've got the same model. one thing that i notice is that the receiver corrodes fairly easily. keep it oil if you are not using it constantly. take it out at least once a month to wipe it down and re-oil.

living at the bay area means the salt content in the air is going to be higher than most places. if you don't want to deal with the constant oiling, than get the marine magnum

[SMOKEYMOUNTAIN]

Wow, all I have to say is please proofread your posts.

I'm not naming any name(s), but when people post with incorrect grammar and syntax it literally kills me a bit on the inside and completely ruins the credibility in one's argument.

As this is the Net, we do not have the luxury of face-to-face contact, and what you type certainly goes to the weight of your relevance, regardless of the substance.

[hcbr]

All i'll say is aippi knows his stuff, so guys back off each other and be civil and respect one another.

[JB-Norcal]

My .02 on living in the hood with guns - eyes are on you, if a rifle case is spotted or even a safe being unloaded, the wrong element is aware of it very fast.
Keep it simple, keep it sly, keep it safe, if you want to keep it. Urban camo when transporting is a must.
Getting your regular stuff stolen is one thing, letting firearms get out on the street is another.

[aippi]

I apologize to Wo dot for any comments that he or any reader may have seen as personal or directed at him and not the topic. I read the statements about not needing firearms for home defense, and, you should move to a better place and that put me on the defense of our gun rights. I am sure he simply miss spoke and the statements came out wrong as no gun owner would ever tell another such mess. Wo dot is a gun owner and was only making a point and it simply came out wrong.

Being I spent many years of my life with my foot and many times booth feet in my mouth I understand how this happens and I accept his explanation.

We are about to reenter the entire gun issue due to one crazed nut case. Already the anti gun groups are screaming about high cap mags and that leads to other mess and could affect the capacity of shotguns also. They don't believe I need a firearm to protect my home and if so it should be a single shot, remember Al Gore said that. So anything that even looks like they are here planting that mess is going to get a reaction from me.

So Wo dot please accept this and I absolutely agree that some of the weapons many people have do not make reasonable home defense guns, however, if that is what they are comfortable with it is their call and their right. I saw a gun bring a S&W .50 cal handgun to carry course. He was a very wrong headed gun owner thinking he needs a carry gun like that, however it is his right. I 100% agree with you Wo dot that Keeping it basic is what works. In a gun fight all that tacti-fool mess can get the user killed when he tries to use it. Not opinion here, pure fact.

[dunndeal]

Wu Dot
As of yesterday, Jan 18th, there have been 8 murders in Oakland in 2011. So far it's only been gangbanger against gangbanger. However, I can only imagine what's going to happen in Oakland, Richmond, Vallejo and similar cities up and down the state when Jerry Brown's $12.5 Billion social service cuts kick in.
IMO, anyone who doesn't have a home defense firearm and the skill to effectiviely use it is not only irresponsible but also a damned fool.
I've got one of aippi's 870 builds and I'm glad I do.

[RedFord150]

I do not see the Maverick getting any attention on this thread. I believe they can be had for $200 plus fees.
I am told that Maverick is a subsidiary of Mossberg, is manufactured in Texas, and shares some parts with the Mossberg 500.
I do not own one, I am considering buying one. Anybody have any firsthand experience with the Maverick?
If not Maverick, next consideration will be given to Remington 870 or Mossberg or Savage Pump. Personally, I prefer the pump over the semi-auto.
Any comments are appreciated.

[BoJackUSMC]

In fact, I do want to shoot maverick and Escort shotguns because they are very affordable. However, I do not know anyone who uses those shotguns in my group. Last time, I saw at Turners selling nickel plated Escort pump action shotgun for way under $300.