Saiga 12

[simanovkalashnikov]

Hello. I moved from Texas a few months ago. I just became a member of this site yesterday. I'm interested in the Saiga 12, can I own one of these here in California? Can anyone give me any advice? It seems like it operates the same way the ak does. I'm just looking for information, advice, or just comments anyone would like to make. Thanks.

[Navyguy0023]

No offense but being new I would really try searching before you post a bunch of questions already covered, just a little effort goes a long way.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=367058

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=366904

[Cokebottle]

Yes, you can have one.

Here is the flowchart that applies to California's shotgun assault weapon laws: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

Being semi-automatic, it must have a maglock/bullet button, and it may not have both a folding/collapsible buttstock and a pistol grip or VFG.
With a fixed stock, it may have a pistol grip and/or VFG.

Minimum barrel length is 18.5"... same as it is in Texas. The difference between California and Texas is you won't be able to buy the tax stamp to legalize an SBS.

[simanovkalashnikov]

Don't want to if I don't have to Navy guy besides, I wouldn't know what the readings meant anyhow. California English is different from Texas English. Our codes in Cali mean different things to different people. I wouldn't have known what to do with magazines if I didn't post here. Even if I did read the billion pages of law. I wouldn't have known about single shot and what it meant. It would have been countless hours of reading................why would I do that if many many members here are happy to help? Should there be an instance in the future when some new guy needed help I wouldn't tell him to go read for endless hours. I would tell him what I know with the understanding that I am not perfect. That is what this is all about isn't it?

I didn't say I wouldn't read but come on!

[ironman5669]

you tell em TEX!

[simanovkalashnikov]

I saved it as a pdf cokebottle. Can't wait to get one. I've got about 3 or 4 guns I'd like to buy. Thank you all.

[anthonyca]

I saved it as a pdf cokebottle. Can't wait to get one. I've got about 3 or 4 guns I'd like to buy. Thank you all.

Just currious why you moved here. What do you think so far?

Good job not giving up on the guns you want. Welcome to California, you are the type of person we need here.

[simanovkalashnikov]

I love it here anthony. The weather, mountains, coast, ocean, are all beautiful. There are endless things to do. Many of these things are not too expensive. Fishing in rivers, lakes, pacific ocean. Camping would be fun. There is more to life here. My experience in Texas is that people spend most of their time inside. It is reversed here. People want to get out of their houses here. They walk to the grocery store, or McDonalds because the weather permits. People sit outside their homes talking crap till night. Sure the homes are nicer in Texas, and if you want to live indoors go to Texas. I'd rather a humble home with more to do around me. When I can afford it, the seafood restaurants are a caliber that Texas can never compete with. I find that the people are pretty much the same. It is the American Dream seeking people, a bit rough, decendants of the cowboys from the movies.....if you will. Liberal or Democratic but cautious of losing any freedoms or the means to maintain it. The laws are confusing or very troubling. It's like there are a bunch of pockets of extreme thinking. The population around San Francisco for example is willing to Trust the government completely. Government can tell business whether or not a business can include a toy in a meal. I know that this population thinks it is for the good of the people, but what about being a mother or father who actually cares? What about saying, "no you can't have a happy meal". Why leave it to the government to be the mother or father? Instead they are encroaching on the freedom of a business. They are willing to hand in their guns. The English ruled India a land of One Billion people with 100,000 soldiers. I'd hate for our government to control 300 million with 50 thousand soldiers. If we care about those that have battled for our freedom, why would we turn in our guns? Did they die in Vain?

Lots of thoughts, but I do love it here.

[Roaries7]

Preaching to the choir. Welcome! We need more like minded people.

[anthonyca]

I love it here anthony. The weather, mountains, coast, ocean, are all beautiful. There are endless things to do. Many of these things are not too expensive. Fishing in rivers, lakes, pacific ocean. Camping would be fun. There is more to life here. My experience in Texas is that people spend most of their time inside. It is reversed here. People want to get out of their houses here. They walk to the grocery store, or McDonalds because the weather permits. People sit outside their homes talking crap till night. Sure the homes are nicer in Texas, and if you want to live indoors go to Texas. I'd rather a humble home with more to do around me. When I can afford it, the seafood restaurants are a caliber that Texas can never compete with. I find that the people are pretty much the same. It is the American Dream seeking people, a bit rough, decendants of the cowboys from the movies.....if you will. Liberal or Democratic but cautious of losing any freedoms or the means to maintain it. The laws are confusing or very troubling. It's like there are a bunch of pockets of extreme thinking. The population around San Francisco for example is willing to Trust the government completely. Government can tell business whether or not a business can include a toy in a meal. I know that this population thinks it is for the good of the people, but what about being a mother or father who actually cares? What about saying, "no you can't have a happy meal". Why leave it to the government to be the mother or father? Instead they are encroaching on the freedom of a business. They are willing to hand in their guns. The English ruled India a land of One Billion people with 100,000 soldiers. I'd hate for our government to control 300 million with 50 thousand soldiers. If we care about those that have battled for our freedom, why would we turn in our guns? Did they die in Vain?

Lots of thoughts, but I do love it here.

Well put. Where in California are you?

[zfields]

Funny, Im moving to texas next year.


And no, it has nothing to do with gun laws.

[simanovkalashnikov]

I live in the San Jose area/ Central Coast. Good luck in Texas zfields. We gotta do what we gotta do. Gas prices are cheaper, realestate is about 20% less expensive, crime is a lot lower. Electricity will cost more, food will also cost more but it depends on how you eat. You won't be able to plant or grow anything really...depending on where in Texas. You'll be able to shoot many guns, and they will cost less. You may get charged by the gun at the range or by how many people will shoot them. You can get a concealed handgun license the way every population in any state should be able to get them.

[zfields]

Im moving for school. Im looking forward to it, Im born and raised in CA, spent a few months in the south. I liked it a lot better.

I live in one of the more expensive parts of CA. The cost of rent where Im planning on moving is less then half of what I pay in CA.

[Joe Mama]

I own a saiga 12 and a 762 love them both did the conversion on both myself 12 guage has minor cycling issues with low base ammo but easy to remedy. They are a true ak action I recomend the conversion if for no other reason just to improve the trigger pull.