Pump action with vertical foregrip?

[boosh71]

Hey guys, I have a Remington 870 with Knoxx stock with pistol grip, is it legal to have a vertical foregrip on a pump action shotgun? Thank you.

[Noah3683]

Yes, but why? Sorry, I'm not meaning to sound rude. It just seems impractical to me. It's not the same as an ar-15, you want the springs in the knoxx to work their magic. The vertical grip serves the opposite purpose as in its meant to help hold the weapon in tighter thus pre-loading the springs in the stock. But hey try it if you like. Each person will find different things more comfortable

[boosh71]

Just thought the ergonomics might be more comfortable, and the two sets of springs in the stock (mine at least) are pretty hard to preload anyways. So it is legal? I always thought vertical grips were a no go.

[Noah3683]

legal on a pump gun. Not legal on a semi with pistol grip and collapsible/folding buttstock. CA laws make zero sense

[Quiet]

legal on a pump gun. Not legal on a semi with pistol grip. CA laws make zero sense

Actually, it's legal on all types of shotguns except for semi-auto shotguns with a folding/extending stock.

As long as the semi-auto shotgun does not have a folding/extending stock, it can legally have a pistol grip and a vertical forward grip.



Penal Code 12276.1
(a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

[Noah3683]

Actually, it's legal on all types of shotguns except for semi-auto shotguns with a folding/extending stock.

As long as the semi-auto shotgun does not have a folding/extending stock, it can legally have a pistol grip and a vertical forward grip.



Penal Code 12276.1
(a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

Ah yes, I knew there was something in there, but wasn't 100% certain.

[aippi]

A vertical forend damages your weapon. We all torque the forend when racking a pump to some extent. You can tell to which side you do this simply by looking at the magazine tube. The side with the most wear is the side you torque to.

when you add a vertical forend it acts as a lever and increase this torque, or twisting of the forend and this damages your forend tube assembly. It will twist the action bars and this begins to make the weapon bind in the reciever. You also cause undue wear inside the receiver in the channels the action bars ride in.

I can always tell when a weapon has had one of these things on it as when I remove the forend tube assembly one action bar is twisted in and pointing down and the other twisted out and pointing up or the other way, depending on the shooter. Point is the forend tube assembly is FUBAR and has to be replaced. You could bend them back but they will just return to the damaged shape.

So, if you intend to install one of these things plan on replacing the forend tube assembley as often as once a year depending how much you shoot and how much you torque the forend. Not a big deal as they are only $35.00. However, if you care about your weapon and want a smooth action do not use one of these.

[axhoaxho]

A vertical forend damages your weapon. We all torque the forend when racking a pump to some extent. You can tell to which side you do this simply by looking at the magazine tube. The side with the most wear is the side you torque to.

when you add a vertical forend it acts as a lever and increase this torque, or twisting of the forend and this damages your forend tube assembly. It will twist the action bars and this begins to make the weapon bind in the reciever. You also cause undue wear inside the receiver in the channels the action bars ride in.

I can always tell when a weapon has had one of these things on it as when I remove the forend tube assembly one action bar is twisted in and pointing down and the other twisted out and pointing up or the other way, depending on the shooter. Point is the forend tube assembly is FUBAR and has to be replaced. You could bend them back but they will just return to the damaged shape.

So, if you intend to install one of these things plan on replacing the forend tube assembley as often as once a year depending how much you shoot and how much you torque the forend. Not a big deal as they are only $35.00. However, if you care about your weapon and want a smooth action do not use one of these.

Thanks aippi,

That is helpful information.

[pyromensch]

A vertical forend damages your weapon. We all torque the forend when racking a pump to some extent. You can tell to which side you do this simply by looking at the magazine tube. The side with the most wear is the side you torque to.

when you add a vertical forend it acts as a lever and increase this torque, or twisting of the forend and this damages your forend tube assembly. It will twist the action bars and this begins to make the weapon bind in the reciever. You also cause undue wear inside the receiver in the channels the action bars ride in.

I can always tell when a weapon has had one of these things on it as when I remove the forend tube assembly one action bar is twisted in and pointing down and the other twisted out and pointing up or the other way, depending on the shooter. Point is the forend tube assembly is FUBAR and has to be replaced. You could bend them back but they will just return to the damaged shape.

So, if you intend to install one of these things plan on replacing the forend tube assembley as often as once a year depending how much you shoot and how much you torque the forend. Not a big deal as they are only $35.00. However, if you care about your weapon and want a smooth action do not use one of these.

not to mention, it is just not as comfortable to shoot, or actuate.

[Killawhale415]

Its my understading that gripping a VFG on a shotgun would involve going full retard

[Requiem]

Its my understading that gripping a VFG on a shotgun would involve going full retard

Never go full retard.

[negolien]

Depends what you use the vertical grip for. Using em for light switches and stuff and to stabilize the weapon is fine. Long as you're not trying to rack the slide with em I see no issues.

[Crank1000]

Never go full retard.

Just fartin' in bathtubs and laughin' at yourself.