SHTF

[PatriotnMore]

Absolutely, those numbers were based on lot of shooting done by line soldiers, shots high, not aiming, shooting over a berm, suppression fire and so on.

Plenty of bad ju ju happens when hit with 5.56, and shot placement does count.

And those high ratios are not coming from hits versus confirmed KIA. It's all rounds fired per KIA. And those numbers have way too many variables built in. A 250K per death round count in Iraq tells me that even with all the doctrine changes since / caused by Vietnam, we aren't killing enough of the enemy.

A properly placed 5.56 round on an unprotected human target is, most often pretty devastating will end the discussion. So will a 12 gauge slug. But, each person and situation is unique and there is no such thing as a guaranteed one shot stop round, 100% of the time.

[CSACANNONEER]

so I've always thought that an AR or AK would suffice for SHTF. but I've noticed that they use shotguns in zombie movies. I rarely shoot my AR and other than looking cool it's pretty useless to me. and I'm worried about knockdown power. thinking of selling the AR and getting an 870, but if we ever have to battle with the government or aliens from far distances, shotguns wouldn't be useful. thoughts?

So, you're planning on planning for a survival situation based on what you've seen in zombie movies???? I guess that's as good a plan as most I've heard. Seriously, forget all that crap. If you really want to survive in a SHTF situation, learn and practice real survival techniques. Don't rely on having access to any of your gear, BOB or anything that is not in your pocket at this very moment. Are you prepared to start a fire right now? Can you start a fire without matches or a lighter? Do you know the etible plants in your basic area? Or, are you just concerned with either a Red Dawn or zombie invasion SHTF?

dont sell the AR

but do get an 870 , those are good gauges

you'll need both for the zombocalypse

Sorry, I haven't heard that slang before. Is it airsoft, gamer or getto? It sure the hell isn't anything a gun enthusiast would say.

[BigDogatPlay]

Seriously, forget all that crap. If you really want to survive in a SHTF situation, learn and practice real survival techniques. Don't rely on having access to any of your gear, BOB or anything that is not in your pocket at this very moment.

^^^This^^^

+10,000

[Glackowitz]

If I were to go zombie hunting....I think I would like to use the Ddupleks hexolit 32's

http://www.ddupleks.lv/EN/ddupleks_products/show/Hexolit32

Nice entry with tons of destruction after that

[eastershawn]

haha awsome thread, you gotta have a semiauto rifle with detachable magazine for shtf because you gotta reload fast for many shtf situations (zombies, red dawn, etc). a shotgun is a good weapon if you need massive stopping power at close distances, but takes longer to reload than a semi auto rifle. i got both, plus a handgun. there is a gun for every situation, but i think a semiauto rifle is the best all around. lets just put it this way, what weapon does almost every military in world issue its soldiers? i know there are handguns and shotguns in the military, but the majority use rifles.

[nick]

And those high ratios are not coming from hits versus confirmed KIA. It's all rounds fired per KIA. And those numbers have way too many variables built in. A 250K per death round count in Iraq tells me that even with all the doctrine changes since / caused by Vietnam, we aren't killing enough of the enemy.

A properly placed 5.56 round on an unprotected human target is, most often pretty devastating will end the discussion. So will a 12 gauge slug. But, each person and situation is unique and there is no such thing as a guaranteed one shot stop round, 100% of the time.

A big part of that number are rounds fired in training while deployed, rounds fired when someone thought the local dog was carrying an AK and about to engage him, rounds fired by gunships (at 4000-6000 rnds per minute, even short(er) bursts take a lot of ammo), rounds fired to provide covering fire, etc.

[Al LaVodka]

Rifle and shotgun: they are not mutually exclusive. Think of one as a really big and more useful pistol.
Al

[Utha Schleigle]

Alot of Long Beach police cruizers have have city issue shot gun and the officer's schorty AR next to it.

Have both AR and shotgun.

I do like the idea of bayonette on your shotgun. M16 bayonette - 1903-A3 bayonette - trench format.








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get sights and add ventaled guard lator. Mossberg 590 - Metal trigger group - heavier barrel to satisfy concerns of US Navy procurement folkz. {Barrel dents and dings as they sailors romp around the steel desk and doors of the shipps

[FatalKitty]

So, you're planning on planning for a survival situation based on what you've seen in zombie movies???? I guess that's as good a plan as most I've heard. Seriously, forget all that crap. If you really want to survive in a SHTF situation, learn and practice real survival techniques. Don't rely on having access to any of your gear, BOB or anything that is not in your pocket at this very moment. Are you prepared to start a fire right now? Can you start a fire without matches or a lighter? Do you know the etible plants in your basic area? Or, are you just concerned with either a Red Dawn or zombie invasion SHTF?



Sorry, I haven't heard that slang before. Is it airsoft, gamer or getto? It sure the hell isn't anything a gun enthusiast would say.

unfortunately most people that even think of SHTF scenarios are idiots, and are hoping for a zombie apocalypse so they get a chance to use the cool toy they just bought - when it reality that item is 100% useless.

if SHTF and you're buggin out - how much ammo can you carry for your chosen weapon and how effective can you be with it? in a true PAW event - there will be no places you buy or even procure new ammo... making any sort of firearm completely useless.

in my BOB there are no provisions for any sort of weapons - first off... if there were any military controls you'd likely be shot on sight carrying a weapon, let alone not being allowed behind any sort of barricade.

NO AR or 870 will save you if you're as dumb as half the people in this thread


that being said - any red dawn event will include me bringing ALL my guns to the party

[ZombieKiller]

I love SHTF threads.....Doom and Gloom.....TEOTWAWKI.....Nibiru.....2012.....

Illuminati... Free Masons.... Glass domes on the Moon.... Did I miss any new ones?

Mass Rioting.... Economic Collapse.... It seems all generations have waited for it....

Just buy a lot of guns and ammo.

[BlackViper]

Get a shotgun too, it's a good multi-purpose weapon.

With a rifled slug they're easily accurate to 100 yds.

With buckshot you've got 9 ~.32 caliber balls in roughly a 1" spread per yard - so inside of 20 yards, you've got several torso hits even if you're not quite on target.

As for "knockdown power", it is a myth. However, the wound cavity from a 1oz shotgun slug is so severe (especially at closer range) that if you hit them they will stop.

Zombie tissue is apparently quite soft, so low-recoil buck would be my choice if I had to get somewhere. If I could take up and hold a position then I'd use my AR to extend both my distance and accuracy.

[Jaiofspam]

i see a 12g as a perfectly viable bugout weapon... why? its probably the only firearms that youll be able to find ammo for once you run out on the move. i seriously doubt youll tote around a pallet jack with "emergency/survival/shft/teotwawki" ammo stash.

a .22lr rifle is probably a better choice for zeds and survival

[Chaparral]

In a Category IV civilization busting zombie outbreak, you would also do well to buy chainsaws- lots of 'em. Have car mounted chainsaws on the front and sides of an old VW Bus or something like that and you can't go wrong. Just don't stand on a moving platform and expect to chainsaw the zombies because the driver might have to hit the brakes and you could fall over and chainsaw yourself or worse, the hot chick who's guarding your back.

[Chaparral]

Sorry, I haven't heard that slang before. Is it airsoft, gamer or getto? It sure the hell isn't anything a gun enthusiast would say.

I haven't heard the term "gauge" in 20 years! The local chollos used to refer to any shotgun as a "gage". They were always saying how they "am gonna get mah 'gage if that fool show up" blah blah. I guess now the new term is "shottie"?

[Mr. Meeseeks]

I haven't heard the term "gauge" in 20 years! The local chollos used to refer to any shotgun as a "gage". They were always saying how they "am gonna get mah 'gage if that fool show up" blah blah. I guess now the new term is "shottie"?

Funny you say that, I grew up around a lot of gangs, it has been about 20 years since I've heard it as well. Seems like these days "shottie" has replaced "gage" in the current slang.