WTF!!! First HD Shotty?

[arnewbie69]

There's probaly already some threads floating around here, but I seem to find them them. So, I'm looking for my first HD shotgun, but can't decide on which is best for me. I'm 5'4, 110lbs soaking wet, I've narrowed it down to either to Rem 887 Nittro Mag, Benelli Nova Tactical or Supernova Tactical. My main points are $$$, felt recoil, rd count, overall realibily, and aftermaket parts/accesories.

[BigDogatPlay]

Whats a shotty?

[thefinger]

I think you must have forgotten the Remington 870...

[SixPointEight]

For felt-recoil, you can can with "reduced recoil" loadings, or a semi-auto. Reliability etc, can't beat the M500/590 and the Remington 870's. Good pumps that have been around for ages. Though the Remington Express870s have been having some chamber issues. Not sure if those have been worked out or not.

[windrider]

Get a remington 870 with a knoxx stock like this (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...t=home+defense) you can shoot it all day with that stock.

[GP3]

My main points are $$$, felt recoil, rd count, overall realibily, and aftermaket parts/accesories.

What else is there?



Remington 870.

[nrvnqsrxk]

Mossberg 590 or Remington 870, for the reasons of it being cheap, reliable, easy safeties, and smooth actions.

[tacticalcity]

Ha, ha. Stop teasing the new guy. Gang slang like Shotty, Fo'tay and so on will get you teased big time around here. Especially if you post pics holding your Fo'tay side ways.

I am sure those are all great options, but not very customizable ones. So you'd better be happy with them right out of the box. People's usual first shot is a Remington 870 or a Mossberg 500 or 590 in 12GA. The reason being you can tweak them however you want, and they are battle tested and proven. With the purchase of an extra barrel the same gun can be your primary self defense weapon (18.5" barrel) and your hunting weapon. If you are not a fan of the pump shotgun Mossberg has a new affordable line semi-auto shotguns.

The fact that you think recoil is going to be a "problem" screams new guy. I felt the same way. Then I actually owned one, and realized I was being a total NOOB. The only time a 12GA Shotguns recoil is going to bother you is on the first shot of the day, and the 100th shot of the day. Inbetween you can't feel it all. You're having too much fun. If you go crazy, and shoot a 100 shells in a session, you'll be soar the next day (like you spent the day at the gym) but that is about it. It's not something to fear. Heck, it is half the fun. It's not that I am particularly macho either, I choose comfort over machismo every time. It just really isn't and issue with the 12GA shotgun like you think it is. Not once you get some time on it and learn what you are doing.

That said, get what makes you happy. You're the one that has to pay for it.

[Black Majik]

The 887 is a Remington bastardization engineered by bean counters. Hold one, rack it, then compare it against an 870.

The 870, Mossberg 500 or 590, and Benelli Novas are all good choices. One that isn't as easily available is the Winchester 1300 (disc.), excellent shotgun.

[tacticalcity]

Get a remington 870 with a knoxx stock like this (http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...t=home+defense) you can shoot it all day with that stock.

Ever tried it? Better have a flexible neck. If you rest your head where ergonomics and nature say to put it, your face will be black and blue from the shotgun smacking you in the cheekbone.

Knowing that it will happen doesn't stop people from doing it either. You can manually lift their head and put it where it is supposed to be, and verbally tell them don't move your head or you will hurt yourself. And the second you step back they put there head where nature says it should be and BOOM, SMACK, CRY! I then proceed to laugh my arse off. Hey, it's not like I didn't do everything I could to keep if from happening. They just didn't listen. Happens every single time too. Funny as hell.

Don't get me wrong. I sell a tone of these. But I would never use one. Not after trying them.

[tuna quesadilla]

What else is there?



Remington 870.

This.

But don't buy a new one; look for a used 870 Police or an older 870 Express. The new 870 Express models that you get at Big 5, Bass Pro, etc, have been known to have several issues with finish and extraction. I have an early 870 Express (barrel is dated Feb. 1990) that's been 100% flawless.

If you're concerned about felt recoil, Remington has a very good "Reduced Recoil" 00 buckshot load that I use exclusively in my 870 for HD. It patterns pretty well and it's (relatively) easy on the shoulder.

[arnewbie69]

No love for the Rem 887? I hear it does have a cheap plastic feel, I have yet to find one at my local shops to make a real comparison. I've handled a Nova and Supernova recently, luckly I forgot my CC. Ok, then what are the pro/cons for Mossy 500/590 or Rem 870?

[tuna quesadilla]

Really you can't go wrong with either. It's all personal preference. The differences are minor. Having owned several Mossberg and Remington shotguns, this is my take on them:

The safety on the 590 is a thumb-operated tang safety located atop the receiver; the 870's safety is a push-button crossbolt safety located in the trigger assembly. Win goes to the 870 unless you're left-handed.

The slide release on the 590 is located just behind the trigger; that of the 870 is located at the very forward portion of the trigger guard. Win goes to the 590 -- much more ergonomic.

The 590's receiver is made of aluminum; the 870 is heavier steel. Pretty much personal preference there. I like my guns to have heft and feel solid, so win goes to the 870.

The 590's loading port is wide open; the 870's loading port has a hinged flap covering it (this flap is actually used in the feed process to lift shells up into the chamber, but it can get irritating when you're trying to load the magazine). Win goes to the 590.

The 870 has greater aftermarket support.

Pretty much minor differences, just go to the gun shop and handle both and buy the one you like. Either one will serve you just fine. For me, it's the Remington. For you, it might be the Mossberg. I like the Mossbergs but every one I've handled has felt like a loose, rattling toy, and that bugs me. I like my weapons to feel hefty and solid... it's more comforting that way

[BigDogatPlay]

Apologies for my opening reply... that word just grates me, what can I say?

I saw and handled my first 887 at the trap club a couple of weeks ago... the term "solution for a non-existent problem" was my first impression. They are okay, they are Remington born and bred after all, but I'm not considering buying one. Not until they've been in common use for a few years anyway.

Relatively clean 870s are widely found on consignment racks. These have the most potential. IMO. New 870s are good guns, the design has barely changed across 10 million or so units produced, but the occasional problem unit is encountered just like anything else mechanical and more so in recent years.

Mossberg 500 or 590... both solid choices and easy on the wallet. A bit less aftermarket stuff than an 870, but all the essentials are readily available.

Disclaimer... I own both an 870P and a 500. Enjoy them both and shoot the beejeebers out of them.

[crackerman]

Really you can't go wrong with either. It's all personal preference. The differences are minor. Having owned several Mossberg and Remington shotguns, this is my take on them:

The safety on the 590 is a thumb-operated tang safety located atop the receiver; the 870's safety is a push-button crossbolt safety located in the trigger assembly. Win goes to the 870 unless you're left-handed.

The slide release on the 590 is located just behind the trigger; that of the 870 is located at the very forward portion of the trigger guard. Win goes to the 590 -- much more ergonomic.

The 590's receiver is made of aluminum; the 870 is heavier steel. Pretty much personal preference there. I like my guns to have heft and feel solid, so win goes to the 870.

The 590's loading port is wide open; the 870's loading port has a hinged flap covering it (this flap is actually used in the feed process to lift shells up into the chamber, but it can get irritating when you're trying to load the magazine). Win goes to the 590.

The 870 has greater aftermarket support.

Pretty much minor differences, just go to the gun shop and handle both and buy the one you like. Either one will serve you just fine. For me, it's the Remington. For you, it might be the Mossberg. I like the Mossbergs but every one I've handled has felt like a loose, rattling toy, and that bugs me. I like my weapons to feel hefty and solid... it's more comforting that way