how did shotgun values turn upside down

[TERRYGER]

i cruise the gun wantadds on about 10 different pages so i can keep up with prices and what's being traded.

for those that have been into shotguns for more than 5 years and have owned more than 1 it is commaon knowledge that semi auots have always sold for double the price of pumps and some semis have sold for thousands more than that.

it is true there are a very tiny amount of "classic pumps" like win model 12(not all versions) etc that have garnered a little more from collectors but on the whole pumps of any model top out at well under $700 used.

i saw thse 2 adds for shotguns, 1 pump made of stamped out steel and plastic and one semi auto made with hand machined parts and upper grade walnut.

along with that, the semi auto was a limited version model chambered in 3 in with and upgraded 30 inch double beaded vr barrel.






incredibly the cheap pump was priced higher than the quality semi auto.

now, everyone has the right to sell and buy a weapon for any price they want. that however has nothing to do with the quality of the different weapons.

ie: you can list a bersa .380 for more than a kimber .45 but that does not make them equal

i'm just not sure where this totally uniformed line of thinking originated since it has nothing to do with reality.

any opinions?

and please, facts only , no emotion.

[rino]

if it has wood and blue and no rails,lasers,flashlights, 1,000 round mag tube and nothing growing off the sides then calguners dont want it

im in that boat look: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=299835

[shy 7th]

any opinions?

and please, facts only

Also, I just found this funny. You ask for opinions and then say "facts only." opinions != facts No worries, I know what you mean.

[FastFinger]

shhhh!!! Scoop up some good deals while you can!

[MichaelKent]

It could just be the picture, but the quality semiauto looks rather banged up and scuffed on the receiver (it could be engravings, but I can't see it well enough)... obvious damage (even if its just cosmetic) can drop a price fairly substantially. The general wear and tear of the firearm, and overall condition (as opposed to original quality) can be major factors in pricing.

It's also possible he hasn't been able to sell it at the price he originally wanted, and has had to drop the price rather substantially.

However, I expect the price difference between pump and semiauto shotguns will slowly close eventually. As technology and manufacturing costs improve, coupled with wider availability and competition over time, they are liable to get cheaper and cheaper.

[Merc1138]

They're two different shotguns for two different types of buyers.

The semi auto doesn't appear to have more than what, a 3 round capacity? The synthetic stock pump action looks like it may have a 7 round magazine.

Also, whoever took the photo of that semi auto, did a terrible job. Because what is likely to be engravings on the stock, receiver, and bolt, just looks like the shotgun was beat up in that picture.

[teflondog]

What I want to know is where I can buy that 1100 for less than an 870. Either it's a really good deal on the 1100 or the 870 is priced really high.

[Markus]

What I want to know is where I can buy that 1100 for less than an 870. Either it's a really good deal on the 1100 or the 870 is priced really high.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=299835

[BMC]

An 1100 (the one shown looks like it might actually be a wingmaster) and an 870 Wingmaster will generally be pretty close in asking price with the 1100 usually a little higher depending on the condition if it. But overall they are pretty close. A model 12 is somewhat of a cultish gun, mainly with those who owned and used one during the heyday decades where to a large number of people the model 12 was/is considered one of the most indestructable (and versatile) shotguns ever made.
As Shy stated by and large its a market issue. Here on CGN traditional blue and wood shotguns typically aren't as highly sought and praised as the tacticool looking ones. I often catagorize it like this. A person who plays war video games will be interested in, and often pay the assumed high asking price for a tacticool looking shotgun where as someone who does not subscribe to the SHTF mantra and probably doesn't even own a playstation will lean in favor of the more traditional shotgun such as the 1100 posted above.
Of the two posted, the 1100 is bone stock to the eyes of some. The 870-looking tacticool HD one has "added value" with the aftermarket accessories added to it.

[BMC]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=299835

That's a damn low price for an 1100, even with the scratched stock. With that gun the 30" fixed full barrel would be considered "added value" to many people, particularly those who shoot clay games. I'd like to have that barrel!

[rino]

^ you are right but it doesnt help me , i cant shoot steel out of it

[BMC]

Not sure why you can't shoot steel out of it. I've shot steel out of 30" fixed full barrels with no problems.

[Killawhale415]

Hmm since when does remington use "stamped" steel

[shrap]

The 1100 is at the end of its popularity. Newer models have come and gone, many with better reliability than the 1100. The top sporting guns are over/unders now, not semis. A 3" chamber is a negative in the clay games, not a positive. The number of people in the market for this 1100 isn't very high.

On the other hand, the pump gun, especially in tacti-cool configuration, is especially in fashion now.

[TERRYGER]

well, with some of the responses its certainly obvious why the prices have gotten to be ridiculously unbalanced