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  • #16
    vega
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 2972

    Originally posted by aippi
    Some times I just shake my head at the stuff on here. I gave you guys the exact method used by the Armorers at the Remington Factory every time they check an 870. But hey, what do they know as most of them have only been there 40+ years.
    Did someone contradict you? Sure you gave the correct method but people still shares how they make their own dummy round.

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    • #17
      aippi
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2009
      • 2302

      Vega, did you read the post about just stick your finger over the bolt and if the firing pin hits your finger it will hit the primer? I would say that is a contradiction to the correct method of function testing an 870. So yes to your question. If that did not make you shake your head then I don't know what will. Guess some guys never heard of head space and "Go" or "No Go". Freaking firing pin can hit your finger all day but never hit a primer in "lock up" if the head space is incorrect so it hitting your finger with the barrel off means not one dam thing as to if the weapon will fire. Yet, this kind of mess is common on sites like this and when a person with some knowledge responds he gets questioned like you just questioned me. If you understood the function of this weapon, you would have questioned that rediculous statement, not mine. I will now just shake my head again.
      JD McGuire, Owner
      AI&P Tactical
      Remington Law Enforcement Armorer
      Mossberg LE Armorer
      www.aiptactical.com
      www.tacticalgunslings.com
      If you're going to a gun fight, take a shotgun. If you can't take a shotgun, don't go.

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      • #18
        Cokebottle
        Señor Member
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Oct 2009
        • 32373

        Originally posted by aippi
        Vega, did you read the post about just stick your finger over the bolt and if the firing pin hits your finger it will hit the primer? I would say that is a contradiction to the correct method of function testing an 870. So yes to your question. If that did not make you shake your head then I don't know what will. Guess some guys never heard of head space and "Go" or "No Go". Freaking firing pin can hit your finger all day but never hit a primer in "lock up" if the head space is incorrect so it hitting your finger with the barrel off means not one dam thing as to if the weapon will fire. Yet, this kind of mess is common on sites like this and when a person with some knowledge responds he gets questioned like you just questioned me. If you understood the function of this weapon, you would have questioned that rediculous statement, not mine. I will now just shake my head again.
        And a home-made snap cap (or most any snap cap) won't tell you that either.

        The assumption is that the weapon was working properly prior to being field stripped. If that is the case, then headspacing certainly didn't change, and if the concern is to verify that the firing pin was reinstalled properly, then the "finger test" gives you a pretty good idea that it is.


        I stand my my earlier statement that dummy rounds made from discharged live rounds are dangerously easy to mix up with actual live rounds. It is asking for an ND unless the metal is dyed a contrasting color. Paint is not good.
        There's being frugal, there's being cheap, and there's being cheap to the point of being dumb.
        Home-made snap caps fall under the 3rd. If <$20 for a bunch of snap caps is going to break the bank, how can one afford ammo?
        - Rich

        Originally posted by dantodd
        A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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        • #19
          aippi
          Senior Member
          • Jun 2009
          • 2302

          I don't use snap caps there coke bottle. I use dummy rounds that are manufactured for function testing an 870 and I put a sticker over one and check for a hole in the sticker after I drop the hammer. A piece of masking tape works also. I then cycle a full tube of dummy rounds through the weapon.

          If you want to take your barrel off and test that your firing pin is going to work, well it is your weapon. I will continue to function test my weapons as I was taught by the people who build them. And yes Grasshopper, head space can change any time you break down and do any thing to your 870 as can other things that were working fine before you broke it down....THAT IS WHY YOU FUCTION TEST THE WEAPON BEFORE YOU STAKE YOUR LIFE ON IT....
          Last edited by aippi; 05-06-2010, 10:30 PM.
          JD McGuire, Owner
          AI&P Tactical
          Remington Law Enforcement Armorer
          Mossberg LE Armorer
          www.aiptactical.com
          www.tacticalgunslings.com
          If you're going to a gun fight, take a shotgun. If you can't take a shotgun, don't go.

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          • #20
            vega
            Veteran Member
            • Oct 2005
            • 2972

            Originally posted by aippi
            And yes Grasshopper, head space can change any time you break down and do any thing to your 870 .......
            How is that possible if no parts were replaced?

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            • #21
              Kelvrick
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
              • Jun 2007
              • 1064

              I have a bunch of cheap ones from letargets.

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              • #22
                aippi
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2009
                • 2302

                Why check head head space if you replaced no parts? Great Question. It is called damage and wear.

                It is not a big issue in most weapons that see regular use with normal loads. However, if you shoot a lot and use heavy loads then there is more wear on the parts that can affect this such as locking blocks and such.

                I see a lot of casual attitudes towards the maintenance of these wepaons and I understand this because most guys are punching holes in paper or busting bunnies and blowing up watermelons. I however, build heavy use duty weapons for LEO and Civilians that want them for home and personal defense. For this reason I get the proper training every three years at the Remington factory and I follow what they teach and I DON'T TAKE SHORT CUTS.. I check everything and leave nothing to chance. I recomend that approch to all gun owners who may have to rely on their weapon to defend themself. If you want to check head space during a function test of your weapon or after major cleaning, just get the "No go" guage and use that.
                Last edited by aippi; 05-07-2010, 9:05 AM.
                JD McGuire, Owner
                AI&P Tactical
                Remington Law Enforcement Armorer
                Mossberg LE Armorer
                www.aiptactical.com
                www.tacticalgunslings.com
                If you're going to a gun fight, take a shotgun. If you can't take a shotgun, don't go.

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                • #23
                  ralphwood2
                  Junior Member
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 75

                  Have you looked at Action Trainer Rounds from S.T. Action Pro?

                  We provide trainer dummy rounds, training rounds, dummy rounds, tactical gear. Our site is an e-commerce site. Dummy rounds made in the USA.

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                  • #24
                    eccvets
                    Banned
                    • Jul 2008
                    • 1243

                    I wouldnt shoot anything that resembled a real round in the chamber. That being said i do pratice with live rounds.

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                    • #25
                      Bobula
                      Calguns Addict
                      • May 2007
                      • 9371

                      I have 2 really fancy brass ones with a springer under the dummy primer. They look great in my over under case
                      Originally posted by Kestryll
                      Yeah, don't tell that rat bastard Kestryll, he'll shut it down.

                      Fascist pig....

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                      • #26
                        Rob454
                        CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Feb 2006
                        • 11254

                        You can always take empty shells pop the primers drill small holes in the sides of the shell fill them up with silicone inside till it squeezes out of the primer and the holes( you can use a wood dowel to squeeze( think syringe action) the silicone out of the primer hole. Let the stuff completely dry for a few days cut off the squeezed off excess and you will have a shell that looks nothing like a live shell Ive done it plenty of times. I would do it with pistol and rifle but I havent yet.

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