slamfire

[jordan870]

i was wondering if i could modife my rem 870 to do slamfires is it legal?

if i can what part do i take out or add to make it slam fire???



and do the modern ithaca 37's still slam fire???????

[aippi]

No, you can not modify it. No, the new Ithaca do not slam fire.

[jordan870]

thats a bummer. thanks very much.
are there any shotguns that still do?

[aippi]

No, it is a serious safety issue for the shooter and anyone around the shooter and a serious liablity issue for the manufacturer so there are none made that have this ability.

[Quiet]

The current production Chinese (Norinco/IAC) Model 97 and Model 97T (Winchester 1897 clone) shotguns can "slamfire".
They cost around $500.

Here is a youtube video showing the IAC/Norinco Model 97 being "slamfired".

[MossbergMan]

Okay, I'm at a loss. Other than a charging group of Zombies, what purpose/ advantage would slam firning offer? I have a Win. '97 that's capable of slam firing but I found it a waste of ammunition.

[Quiet]

Okay, I'm at a loss. Other than a charging group of Zombies, what purpose/ advantage would slam firning offer? I have a Win. '97 that's capable of slam firing but I found it a waste of ammunition.

Same reason why people "bumpfire" semi-auto firearms.

[sargenv]

Old Model 12's also are capable of the "slam fire". I prefer to call it something other than a slam fire, more like a single action firearm where you can fan it while holding the trigger down.. though technically you are not fanning the shotgun.. just holding the trigger down while cycling the action.

[BigDogatPlay]

I prefer to call it something other than a slam fire, more like a single action firearm where you can fan it while holding the trigger down.. though technically you are not fanning the shotgun.. just holding the trigger down while cycling the action.

^^^This^^^

There is no disconnector feature so the hammer releases so long as the trigger is held back, so it's not a true slam fire.

Old BP agents like Askins and Jordan used to tell stories about being able to sling an awful lot of buckshot downrange in a fight in a big hurry that way with the Model 97 and Model 12 riot guns.

[BMC]

I can do it with my 870WM when shooting doubles. Its crazy fast.

[aippi]

China, well my post was incorrect then so let me change it to "No legitimate manufacturer would risk building a weapon that would do this because of the liablity and safety issue.

Try sueing a Chinese Company for somthing one of their weapons does to you or others. If you are involved in an AD and someone is injured and you are sued, the manufacturer will stand behind the weapon if it was a result of a manufacturer issue. Since the Chinese Government owns all the companies that build these knock off weapons, good luck getting any back up from them. You stand alone with one of those weapons. The Import Company can bail as they did not manufacture the weapon.

Another very good reason not to buy any of that mess.

[AJAX22]

My old Ithaca 37 works great.

It doesn't go bang unless you ride the boomswitch... so claiming its less 'safe' is silly

If you don't think you can handle it ok.... but that doesn't reflect on the quality of the gun just your comfort level with the hardware.

If anyone would like to swap an 'unsafe' Ithaca with the 8 shot riot tube for a current production 'safe' 870 or mossy 500 8 shot riot gun please let me know.

that being said, modifying a shotgun trigger assembly is a dicy proposition, I've seen some strange results occur (guns that go bang when you release the trigger instead of when you pull it etc)

my only problem with the Chinese copy guns is that they tend to have sharp edges and I cut myself handling one in a store one time... but it was nothing a bit of Emory paper and some files couldn't have fixed while watching myth busters on the couch.

the guns won't AD unless you are being negligent...

and, well, there is only so much stupid that you can fix with equipment.

[zhyla]

It doesn't go bang unless you ride the boomswitch... so claiming its less 'safe' is silly

that being said, modifying a shotgun trigger assembly is a dicy proposition, I've seen some strange results occur (guns that go bang when you release the trigger instead of when you pull it etc)

Agree. I can't think of a case where safety is a concern AND you're holding the trigger down.

I wouldn't mod one, just grab one of these Norinco clones. Though I can't imagine why you'd want this feature unless you're into some kind of cowboy shooting or something.

[aippi]

If you can't undestand how this is unsafe then a basic understanding of firearms safety is called for.

the first Mossberg 500's had to be recalled because they would fire when racked hard. It was because of a free floating firing pin that would hit the primer and make the weapon fire. They fixed that fast but some of you would have thought that was just great.

So all these American gun makers are just messing with you guys by preventing their shotguns from doing this? No, they are building safe responsible firearms.

To have a weapon that fires if you fail to release the trigger is unsafe. Anyone with any common gun sence can see that.

I guess I am on the wrong site to find much common sence.

[AJAX22]

If you can't undestand how this is unsafe then a basic understanding of firearms safety is called for.

the first Mossberg 500's had to be recalled because they would fire when racked hard. It was because of a free floating firing pin that would hit the primer and make the weapon fire. They fixed that fast but some of you would have thought that was just great.

So all these American gun makers are just messing with you guys by preventing their shotguns from doing this? No, they are building safe responsible firearms.

To have a weapon that fires if you fail to release the trigger is unsafe. Anyone with any common gun sence can see that.

I guess I am on the wrong site to find much common sence.

The firing pin issue was completely separate from the disconector/lack of dissconnector issue. Those 'unsafe' mossbergs (which actually WERE unsafe) HAD a dissconnector so.... the point is ????

There are a lot of winchester 1897's kicking around out there that still see regular use and have been regularly shot for the last 110 years or so... and they are not considered 'unsafe'

This is ONLY a 'problem' if you're already pulling the trigger.... its not as if the gun goes bang on its own when you rack it.... you have to rack it WHILE pulling the trigger...

If you take your booger hook off the bang switch then you don't have an issue.

it is NOT a safety concern.

There has been SOME concern in the past that a few designs exist where the possibility exists for the timing to be off in such a way that the hammer drops before the lugs lock the bolt forward... in which case that WOULD be a problem without a dissconnector, but on the ithica 37 and the winchester 1897 it doesn't happen....

and if your gun was shoddily manufactured such that you could pull the trigger and make the hammer drop while the bolt was not locked up you could get an out of battery detonation regardless of if you had a dissconnector/didn't have a dissconnector.

This is kind of like arguing that s&w Model 10 revolvers are unsafe because they don't have a safety... or that single action revolvers are unsafe because you can hold the trigger down and fan them. or that 1911's are unsafe to carry cocked and locked.... or that browning hi powers are unsafe because they don't have a grip safety.... etc. etc. etc.

Its an inanimate object, it does exactly what it is intended to do, when you operate it in the way it is designed to be operated.

Can you screw up? yes
Can bad things happen? Yes
Is it a problem if you were observing proper firearms etiquette? Not really

Should you rely on a mechanical safety to relieve yourself of the responsibility of knowing WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER OF THE GUN?

Should you rely on a mechanical safety to relieve yourself of the responsibility of knowing WHERE THE GUN IS POINTED AT ALL TIMES?

NO