Wilson Combat

[rastro]

I went with the 870P w/ghostrings route ($400) and picked up the rest of the goodies cheap off various forums as they popped up. Total cost for my clone was around $650 instead of $1200.

Still goes boom, folks at the range cant tell the difference.

Spend the few hundred you save on ammo, and training.

[rastro]

I went with the 870P w/ghostrings route ($400) and picked up the rest of the goodies cheap off various forums as they popped up. Total cost for my clone was around $650 instead of $1200.

Still goes boom, folks at the range cant tell the difference.

Spend the few hundred you save on ammo, and training.

[ECVMatt]

I shoot my buddies original Scattergun 870 from time to time..

And I feel they are worth the price. It is hands down the best shotgun out of all of ours. I am sure you can make your own and put it together for less, but I really like the craftsmenship of the WC. I will be owning my own soon and I will not feel like I have over spent a dime.

By shopping on the internet I found them for sale for about 850 for the model I am buying.

I say get it and you won't be let down.

Matt

[mike100]

I'd rather get a real remington police..the WC scatterguns are built off of express models. I'd pay $100 extra to have them build one off a police model, personally.

[ECVMatt]

I understand about working on your own guns...

I love to work on my Glocks.

I believe that WC only uses the steel reciever guns. I also read on their website they will only work on steel reciever guns for upgrading packages.

Not 100% though. I will check again.

Matt

[ECVMatt]

You guys are right, here is what WC says...

We start with the express model, no need to pay more and charge you more for the police version as we change it up when we convert them.

Thanks
Larry


I can't seem to see what the difference between the two models is. Remington states that both are made of steel. Can anyone who is more enlightened help me out??


Thanks in advance.

Matt

[randy]

It's not just the shot pattern in the Vang system but felt recoil is greatly reduced. That's a plus in anybodys book.

As far as smaller pattern hmmmmm does that mean more pellets on target? How can that be a bad thing?

If I had a need for a custom ghetto blaster I'd call Vang over Scat Gun. I'd be happy with a Rem 870 Wing master with a short barrel.
Good luck

[Wulf]

It's not just the shot pattern in the Vang system but felt recoil is greatly reduced. That's a plus in anybodys book.

As far as smaller pattern hmmmmm does that mean more pellets on target? How can that be a bad thing?

Stopping power theory wrt to buck shot holds that a large part of what makes it work is multiple dispersed hits. If your shot package doesnt disperse much it should follow that there's not as much advantage. And if you're tight wad of shot isnt aimed in the right place, "more pellets on target" turns into "no pellets on target". You can port any shotgun to reduce felt recoil. Its part of vang's package but his forcing cone mods are why people send their gun in to Vang.

I think the best overview of the proper role of the SG comes from Gabe Suarez.

Gents,

A quick perspective. I've used a shotgun a number of times operationally. Here are a few observations and opinions.

1). I think the Modern technique of the shotgun is flawed in that it seeks to make the shotgun into a rifle. The shotgun is no more a rifle than the pistol is a rifle.

2). If the only weapon you have is a shotgun (hereafter SGN) then you can certainly configure it for long range but it will never do the job of a rifle. The shotgun is a weapon you take to an expected pistol fight.

3). If you intend to load with slugs exclusively, leave the SGN in the safe and employ the rifle instead. The rifle makes a better rifle and solves the tactical problems of the shotgun.

4). The forgiving nature of the shotgun's ammo (buckshot) allows you to obtain hits when no other weapon system would allow you to stay up with the tempo of events. Examples - darkness, shooting on the run, shooting at moving adversaries, etc.

5). Worrying about background is all well and good, but when they are shooting at you trying to kill you, the issue about background will never cross your mind.

6). A shotgun with buckshot can deliver a conclusive wound at CQB distances (mostly unsurvivable). As well, it can allow you to hit with a few pellets in deteriorating and dynamic situations.

7). Those of you who've been to the Interactive Training know what I mean. What you can do standing tall on the range with a shotgun is only marginally interesting. What can you do with it in a FOF situation? Suddenly things may not be as black and white, nor as clear as they are at the shooting school's drills.

Again guys, just a perspective. The farthest shotgun shooting I had was 15 yards with Winchester 00 12 pellet magnum. 9 pellets hit, 3 pellets continued into the ocean, 3 pellets traversed the adversary through-and-through. The closest was 5 feet (very conclusive indeed). The most dynamic was on the run in the dark in a South Central L.A. parking structure.

The problem with Vang's mods is is that if he does a really "good" job on your gun, it wont spred its shot package enough to "allow you to hit with a few pellets in deteriorating and dynamic situation" untill a range far beoynd where you're likely to employ the gun....and in fact, at a range where 33 caliber round ball has lost enough enegry to be of questionable use. The shotgun is at its core a compromise weapon. The vang forcing cone mods heavily bias the compromise towards the territory of the rifle. Too far IMHO.

[MadMex]

[New Shooter II]

Thank you to everyone.

This has been a very interesting topic.

I am still leaning to the Scattergun, (Personal Preference).

Hope to have one soon.

[stuckin]

i picked one up at the gun shop the other day. very smooth. i have the wilson CQB 1911 they make fine firearms
stuck

[eviioiive]

or you can get a nova... i can keet 75% of slugs on an 8" disk at 200....

[ECVMatt]

New Shooter...

Keep us updated...

I am about 30 days away from getting a WC 870. Let us know how yours works out.

Matt

[gunrun45]

+1 for vang comp. I have tried their LE model 14 inch barrel shotguns and have been astounded by their accuracy at 50 yards (far better than my stock 18 in tube with wilson ghost rings).

I forgot all about my shotty after they stopped letting me carry my own at work (new admin). I had plans on getting the Vancomp package with ports on my own barrel to save some dinero.

I would highly recomend this professionals work to anyone who expects true modern day performance from one of THE most versitile platforms of weaponry made today.

I have owned Wilsons also and they are second on my list, right behind Vangcomp. Wilson has very high quality but is overpriced IMO and you can get most of their parts through cheaper distributors like Brownells for cheaper and make the mods yourself over a greater time period to make it more affordable for us poor folk . Not EXACTLY the same but most of the major parts are just a swap away.

Edit: I just checked the vangcomp page and realized that they only charge $255 to mod your barrel (ports and back bore). Sounds like a heck of a good deal to me! I think I might have to give him a call when tax return time comes...

[h.bowman]

I don't think this has been mentioned, but I just received a new catalog from Wilson Combat. This catalog, unlike their previous one, offers their version of the 870 with a Vang Comp barrel for $255 more. As I said, the previous catalog did not offer this. This is the route I'm going...WC 870 with WC mods but I'm going to add the $255 for the VC barrel.