922r Compliant for Benelli M4

[BennyMillian]

Would I be able to by a collapsible stock and just have it pinned or pin it myself. Specifically asking about the Black River MFG collapsible stock because it looks the best and I would like to have the option to ever un pin it so it can fit in a smaller gun bag.

[sigstroker]

Just remember 922r is a federal regulation, not a kali one.

[L-2]

As I understand things, "922(r)" addresses whether a shotgun stock is collapsible by requiring FOUR specific extra U.S. made parts. Also, I've no idea where a "Black River Mfg" stock is made (perhaps provide a link to this stock next time).

Also, California PC 30515 uses the wording "telescoping" or "folding" along with some other criteria/specifications when referring to semiauto shotgun stocks. I can only believe "telescoping" and "collapsible" would be synonomous between Federal and California wording.

OP, this is just FYI items and it'll be buyer-beware when making firearms mods/changes especially in California if trying/wanting to be legal.

Another idea is to go ahead and procure a collapsible stock, but just don't install it, rather than modifying/pinning it for that time when you might want to use it "unpinned"; however, some folks, I suspect, would then be concerned with "constructive possession" legalities.

The entire 922(r) or is it 922r, situation is frustrating and many of us wish it never existed. I just don't understand its purpose or even a prior purpose/reason for its existence.

[Quiet]

Under Federal laws...

In order to be legal for importation for civilian sale/ownership, foreign made shotguns are restricted from having certain features.

In order for a foreign made shotgun to legally have a restricted feature, the shotgun must be modified so that it has 10 or less foreign made parts.

Restricted feature for shotguns:
A. Folding/telescoping shoulder stock.
B. Magazine capacity of greater than 5 rounds.


The Benelli M4 shotgun has the following parts:

Reciever
Barrel
Bolt
Bolt carrier
Gas piston
Trigger housing
Trigger
Hammer
Disconnector
Shoulder stock
Forearm/handguard
Magazine body
Magzine follower

Which is a total of 13 parts.

Therefore, in order to be legal under Federal laws...

Three of those parts need to be switched out for USA made parts, in order to legally install a folding/telescoping stock on a Benelli M4 shotgun.


Under CA laws...

Shotguns are prohibited from having certain features.

A semi-auto shotgun can not have a folding/telescoping stock and a pistol grip or any type of vertical grip or a thumbhole stock.

In order to be CA legal a semi-auto shotgun with a pistol grip must have a fixed stock.


Therefore, in order to be legal under Federal and CA laws...

After the 922r parts compliance installation, the folding/telescoping stock must be modified so that it meets CA's requirement for a fixed stock.

[L84CABO]

Under Federal laws...

In order to be legal for importation for civilian sale/ownership, foreign made shotguns are restricted from having certain features.

In order for a foreign made shotgun to legally have a restricted feature, the shotgun must be modified so that it has 10 or less foreign made parts.

Restricted feature for shotguns:
A. Folding/telescoping shoulder stock.
B. Magazine capacity of greater than 5 rounds.


The Benelli M4 shotgun has the following parts:

Reciever
Barrel
Bolt
Bolt carrier
Gas piston
Trigger housing
Trigger
Hammer
Disconnector
Shoulder stock
Forearm/handguard
Magazine body
Magzine follower

Which is a total of 13 parts.

Therefore, in order to be legal under Federal laws...

Three of those parts need to be switched out for USA made parts, in order to legally install a folding/telescoping stock on a Benelli M4 shotgun.


Under CA laws...

Shotguns are prohibited from having certain features.

A semi-auto shotgun can not have a folding/telescoping stock and a pistol grip or any type of vertical grip or a thumbhole stock.

In order to be CA legal a semi-auto shotgun with a pistol grip must have a fixed stock.


Therefore, in order to be legal under Federal and CA laws...

After the 922r parts compliance installation, the folding/telescoping stock must be modified so that it meets CA's requirement for a fixed stock.

Great answer!

[Sputnik]

So 922r is in regards to whether an arm can be imported? Once in the US does it really matter? And who is taking peoples guns apart and checking all the pieces?
IOW does it really matter to the average Joe?

I?m not advocating that anyone break the laws, more just wondering out loud

[Quiet]

So 922r is in regards to whether an arm can be imported? Once in the US does it really matter? And who is taking peoples guns apart and checking all the pieces?
IOW does it really matter to the average Joe?

Per BATFE...

It applies to the person that modifies the imported semi-auto centerfire rifle or imported shotgun out of it's imported configuration. [18 USC 922(r)]

It does not apply to the person that obtains/possess it after it was modified.
^This person because the BATFE witness, that the firearm was illegal modified before it was sold, against the person that modify it prior to transfer.




18 USC 922
(r) It shall be unlawful for any person to assemble from imported parts any semiautomatic rifle or any shotgun which is identical to any rifle or shotgun prohibited from importation under section 925(d)(3) of this chapter as not being particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes except that this subsection shall not apply to -
(1 )the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for sale or distribution by a licensed manufacturer to the United States or any department or agency thereof or to any State or any department, agency, or political subdivision thereof; or
(2) the assembly of any such rifle or shotgun for the purposes of testing or experimentation authorized by the Attorney General.

18 USC 924
(a)(1) Except as otherwise provided in this subsection, subsection (b), (c), (f), or (p) of this section, or in section 929, whoever -
(D) willfully violates any other provision of this chapter,
- shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

18 USC 925
(d) The Attorney General shall authorize a firearm or ammunition to be imported or brought into the United States or any possession thereof if the firearm or ammunition -
(3) is of a type that does not fall within the definition of a firearm as defined in section 5845(a) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 and is generally recognized as particularly suitable for or readily adaptable to sporting purposes, excluding surplus military firearms, except in any case where the Attorney General has not authorized the importation of the firearm pursuant to this paragraph, it shall be unlawful to import any frame, receiver, or barrel of such firearm which would be prohibited if assembled; or

[Sputnik]

Thanks for the letter of the law. It just seems like one of those laws that?s nearly pointless and almost impossible to enforce on the end user.

[L84CABO]

Thanks for the letter of the law. It just seems like one of those laws that?s nearly pointless and almost impossible to enforce on the end user.

Most gun laws are pointless.

And the only times I've ever heard of this law being enforced was as a "tack on" charge...someone was arrested for more serious crimes and this was added on. I haven't heard or seen any instances where the ATF went after someone specifically for this only. But it's entirely possible they have and we just haven't heard of it.