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  • AreWeNotMen?
    Senior Member
    • Dec 2013
    • 765

    My 1987 Mossberg 500 - not old school, not tacticool, it is FFF(F)

    Form Follows Function (Frugally)

    After 20-ish years of using my Mossberg 500 (a basic Field/Security combo with 18.5 inch and 28 inch barrels) for upland birds and various clay games, I treated myself to a Browning White Lightening Classic Over/Under 12ga and later an Ugartechea M40 Upland Classic SxS 20ga; the 500 became my HD/camping shotgun. While there was nothing wrong with the 500 all this time, I came to realize that it was not set-up optimally for its relegated role. My goal was modest improvements and to not go overboard with unnecessary do-dads on this $186 shotgun. I researched what supposedly makes an ideal HD shotgun from numerous sources, and ultimately pieced together a frugally utilitarian shotgun that works for me. The first thing I knew was it needed a shorter stock but I did not want to chop-up the original. I started looking at options and came across a great deal (like 50% off) on a Magpul SGA Stock - but it was orange! Being an older watch the pennies and the dollars take care of themselves kind of guy, I thought what the heck, I want function not beauty. But the orange stock did look like hell with the wood forend, so my sequence went something like this:
    Magpul SGA Stock (needed shortness, cheap, but orange!)
    Magpul MOE M-LOK Forend (to visually balance the stock and better light-mounting ability)
    Rust-Oleum 279176 Camouflage 2X Ultra Cover Army Green Spray Paint (the 500 had 20+ years of wear, down-to-the-metal in some spots)
    Streamlight 88058 ProTac (mounted at 6 o-clock, tape switch at 3 o-clock. My first long gun light, I am very impressed)
    NDZ Performance Enhanced Safety (upgrade to aluminum and more assured operation - cannot crack/break like OEM plastic, sort of orange to match the color scheme)
    NORDIC NCEXT-SP-12-45 Extension Tube Spring (replacing the rusted OEM, was 40 inches+ and larger diameter than OEM - cut to length. They suggest 8-12 inches beyond tube length for pumps, that seemed excessive; cut it 4 inches beyond and it works fantastic)
    Choate Shell Follower CMT-02-05-02 (orange, of course, resin composite, had to chop down the spring saver / boner extension a bit to get full tube capacity)
    Mepro TRU-DOT Self-Illuminated Tritium Front Sight ML-34044 (enhanced visibility day over OEM brass bead due to size/whiteness, twilight, & night)
    Hightower Armory M-LOK Grip Plugs (grippier grip on the forend)
    I did ponder an optic, but again, holding myself back to more economical/reasonable necessities, not liking the extra height-over-bore, and given that my 500 action is not tapped, I stayed with the eyeball & front sight method I am used to.

    So thats it, and I am happy with the result - when it stops raining I will be taking it out to see how it all works together.
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    W.R.Buchanan
    Veteran Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 3364

    You are nearly there! Don't know if you read the "What I did to my Shotguns thread?", but there is a lot of info there on doing exactly what you are doing.



    One thing to look at is the Magpul Recoil Pad Adapter $12 that adapts the larger Remington Recoil Pads made for their plastic stocked shotguns. It Decreases Felt Recoil Dramatically. If you are planning on using the gun in a class where you are shooting many rounds in a day it will come in handy!



    My Latest Creation, a 60's era M500 from Western Auto, AKA the "Auto-Berg." $150, came out really nice.



    The only Magpul furniture I could get last month was Gray. I found some Krylon Camouflage Paint that is made for Plastic and it went on great and appears to be on there for good !!! If you really don't want the Orange you might look for some.
    The Orange is supposed to be for "Less than Lethal Shotguns," (loaded with Bean Bags or Rubber Bullets) so it might cornfuse someone who doesn't know the difference..

    I have a barrel with one of those Eyeball Front Sights on it and I can assure you that you can't miss it at all in the dark !!!

    Randy
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    Rule #2 Whatever they accuse you of, they are already doing.
    Rule #3 Liberals lie about anything no matter how insignificant.
    Rule #4 If all else fails, they call you a Racist!

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      BOBGBA
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Sep 2010
      • 2353

      Originally posted by W.R.Buchanan
      You are nearly there!...
      I found some Krylon...Paint that is made for Plastic...
      All that's left to do is paint it, unless you're only going to use it on Halloween pumpkins.
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        AreWeNotMen?
        Senior Member
        • Dec 2013
        • 765

        Thanks Randy (I have read your "what I did..." info, great stuff). I will look into that recoil pad, I'm hoping it can be done without increasing the LOP.

        And, the orange has grown on me...and it's easier to see & grab at night, and if an intruder thinks I'm toting a "less lethal", toy, or clown gun, all the better.
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        • #5
          acaligunner
          Calguns Addict
          • Oct 2008
          • 6826

          Orange is going to draw the eyesight of the bg, and were someone looks - is usually were the rounds go.

          No Velcro shell carrier.

          Why not use ghost ring sights - with illuminated front sight.

          That?s what I would do.
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            AreWeNotMen?
            Senior Member
            • Dec 2013
            • 765

            Originally posted by acaligunner
            Orange is going to draw the eyesight of the bg, and were someone looks - is usually were the rounds go.

            No Velcro shell carrier.

            Why not use ghost ring sights - with illuminated front sight.

            That?s what I would do.
            Nope - not head-on with that Streamlight in their eyes.

            Remember the 4th F? - Frugal. Receiver is not drilled/tapped.

            Thanks.
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              AreWeNotMen?
              Senior Member
              • Dec 2013
              • 765

              So I found out the hard way that my set-up wasn't great. Went out to pattern some various buckshot, proper push-pull hold, squared-up'ish stance with forward lean, and on the first round -OUCH! The rear of the light housing crashed into the back of my support hand chunking some skin and letting blood - dang it! No you sickos, I didn't take pics.

              Anyway, after getting home for the day I relocated the light to the 3:00 (v. 6:00) position, now the clearance should be fine. I may end up moving it to 9:00 so I can do away with the tape-on pressure switch and activate it with the rear button with my support thumb.

              Oh, and a huge unintended benefit of my screw-up: with the light at 6:00, it did nothing to illuminate the Tritium front sight, it just looked like an oversized bead. But now, at 3:00, light splashes on the sight and it really pops!
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                joefrank64k
                @ the Dark End of the Bar
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Mar 2009
                • 10124

                I missed this the first time around.

                The orange looks great!!
                You will never, in your life, have a chance like this again.
                If I were you, I would not pass this up. I would not let this go by...this is rare.
                Come on...what harm??

                joefrank64k 251/251 100% iTrader?

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                  W.R.Buchanan
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jan 2008
                  • 3364

                  The Recoil Pad Adapter doesn't increase LOP and you will probably be running no spacers anyway,

                  The Velcro Shell Holders just stick on the side of the receiver. They can be removed at any time with no harm to the finish. You need all the rounds you can get on the gun for HD use. You will store the gun "Cruiser Ready." IE" Hammer Down on an Empty Chamber, Magazine Full (5 rounds) Safety OFF! All you do is Rack the Slide to make the gun ready to engage.

                  With 6 more rounds on the Velcro Side Saddle you now have 11 rounds on the gun. If you keep a couple more 6 round Velcro Side Saddles near where you keep the gun, you can pocket them as you pick up the gun, and have another 12 rounds with you in case of multiple attackers. I run 4 Buckshot and 2 Slugs on each saddle. (just me)

                  You need to get into a Tactical Shotgun Class and really put some rounds thru your gun so you can get introduced to all these things.(2-500 will get you started?) The only way you learn gun handling is thru repetition. And the Gun Handling Part is what Combat Shooting is all about. Anyone can aim a shotgun and pull the trigger, but can you do it 4 times in <3 seconds with a Pump Gun and actually hit the targets?

                  "Gun Handling" is about Loading, Unloading, Reloading, Single Loading, Changing ammo for different purposes, Dealing with Recoil, and even figuring out when to Disengage the Safety are all things that have to be learned and drilled in to become effective with the weapon. I covered most of this in my Thread, but nobody gets it all in one time thru !!!. It takes many times thru to get the whole picture and then there is Physical Practice.
                  Just learning how to hold and handle the shells is a good part of it!

                  Just remember to say "Safety First" every time you present the weapon! Otherwise you will forget to disengage the safety.

                  Do spend the majority of your ammo $ on Regular Low Cost Target Loads as there is no reason to shoot full house loads to try learn how to run the gun. In fact it is downright stupid to do so !!!. Beating yourself silly with heavy loads only makes you so you don't want to shoot the gun and even if you do you won't get very good at it.

                  There are Tactical Low Recoil Buckshot and Slug loads that are only slightly more powerful than Target Loads and they are more than enough for any Scenario involving Home Defense.

                  Here's the Deal. Training is all about putting your attention on the things that will make you proficient. You only have so much "Attention" to allocate to this, and anything that distracts you, takes attention away from your learning experience.

                  With Shotguns,,, Recoil,,, or more properly the "Avoidance of the Recoil" ,,, is the main factor that is sucking up most of your attention, and slowing you down. Obviously the more Recoil you have to deal with,,, the less "Attention" you will have available to concentrate on the Gun Handling side of learning.


                  So good luck with your new Tactical Shotgun. You need to get good with it ASAP, as there is a better than even chance you will be needing it right after the next election if Trump doesn't win, and the "Newcomers" come to live at your house.

                  They are coming,,, do understand that !!!. I just got wind that our Democrat Rep has secured $3+M Grant to build a 43 unit "Migrant Affordable Housing Development" right next to our McDonald's here in Ojai! < than one mile from my home!

                  The world is changing, and we may not like the way it goes?

                  So what are we gonna do about it?

                  Randy
                  Rule #1 Liberals screw up everything they touch.
                  Rule #2 Whatever they accuse you of, they are already doing.
                  Rule #3 Liberals lie about anything no matter how insignificant.
                  Rule #4 If all else fails, they call you a Racist!

                  It's not how well you do what you know how to do,,, It is how well you do what you don't know how to do.
                  www.buchananprecisionmachine.com

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                    2761377
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2013
                    • 2050

                    Originally posted by AreWeNotMen?
                    Thanks Randy (I have read your "what I did..." info, great stuff). I will look into that recoil pad, I'm hoping it can be done without increasing the LOP.

                    And, the orange has grown on me...and it's easier to see & grab at night, and if an intruder thinks I'm toting a "less lethal", toy, or clown gun, all the better.
                    you may not think so after the attorney that's suing you brings it up.

                    IANAL but I can think of at least one avenue of attack to make you unsympathetic to a civil jury
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                    • #11
                      newbutold
                      Senior Member
                      • Jan 2017
                      • 1952

                      Didn't see the orange coming...........
                      Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity. Robert J. Hanlon

                      No more dems, rinos, commies, , pinkos, crooks, pedos, frauds, idiots, lunatics, wanna-be dictators, traitors, old fools, or kleptocratic thieves for President from any party.

                      The demonstrators who infiltrated the Capitol have defiled the seat of American democracy. Donald J. Trump 1/7/21

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                      • #12
                        AreWeNotMen?
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2013
                        • 765

                        Originally posted by 2761377
                        you may not think so after the attorney that's suing you brings it up.

                        IANAL but I can think of at least one avenue of attack to make you unsympathetic to a civil jury
                        Well, I was joking, but appreciate your comment. My actual reason was because it was on clearance - everything else is a bonus - including no one every being able to mistake my shotgun for theirs.
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                          AreWeNotMen?
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2013
                          • 765

                          And thanks for your post(s) Randy - I appreciate your information and perspectives. I do need/want to take a class - need to create the time and find the money to do so.
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