Extraction probs with cheap shotguns

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2.5 shells for 12 gauge were common up through the 30s. 2 inch shells were also made. Obviously not the issue here. Weird question, but have you tried having someone else shoot the gun?

[hermosabeach]

I was trying to be gentle... in case someone was firing 3" in a 2 3/4" gun...


Yes they chamber.... yes they are nasty to extract.... petals open in the forcing cone

[sigstroker]

2.5 shells for 12 gauge were common up through the 30s. 2 inch shells were also made. Obviously not the issue here. Weird question, but have you tried having someone else shoot the gun?

No.

I was trying to be gentle... in case someone was firing 3" in a 2 3/4" gun...


Yes they chamber.... yes they are nasty to extract.... petals open in the forcing cone

I am way too cheap to buy 3" shells.

[JagerDog]

I'd try Win AA, Rem STS, Federal HOA. See it the issue narrows.

These all have brass bases.

For steel base, I've had good luck with Rem Gun Club. Terrible luck with Fed Top Gun. I haven't shot Super-X but nowadays they are the same crappy hull as Universal.

[BOBGBA]

I've only "test" fired both shotguns so far. Maybe 10-15 shells through each one. The difficulty of following this suggestion is the range that's closest to me only allows birdshot, and when I ever use it for serious purposes it will be only buckshot and slugs...

Have you tested them with your "serious" ammo?
If "serious" means HD, it's even more important to make sure the ammo/firearm combination does not cause a malfunction.

...That had been my original plan but it's a huge pain boxing a shotgun for shipping. Finding a box long enough is very difficult..

Have you tried asking your local gun shop for one?

I'd try Win AA, Rem STS, Federal HOA. See it the issue narrows. These all have brass bases...

I had previously checked some spent 12 ga hulls - AA & Rem (Nitro & STS), with the spent primer in them, at the outside edge of the base with a strong magnet and I could feel a slight magnetic attraction. The magnet (even though it was on the outer edge) must have been sensing the primer.

So, I de-primed some empty hulls AA (red & grey) & Rem (Nitro & STS) and rechecked them. Low and behold, you are most correct sir.
Thanks for making me go out test them the proper way.

The de-primed Herter's 20 ga (brass washed steel apparently) still attracts a magnet.
I'm pretty sure the 20 ga Fiocci's that I had problems with were also brass washed steel. I'll look for a hull (maybe I should just buy a box), the next time I go to the skeet range.

[Big Chudungus]

my 870 3.5" Express would jam on the cheapest (Winchester?) Walmart ammo but ran fine on the almost as cheap Rem ammo at Walmart.

[DArBad]

I finally got to shoot my Maverick 88. It hangs up on extraction sometimes. I was using Winchester Super X, but it still had steel bases. One friend thought that was the problem, but it seems like even expensive shells have steel bases these days, but just with a brass wash. I checked some expensive shells too, but same story, attracts a magnet even though it's brass colored.

I checked the inside of one of the barrels, and it's as smooth as a baby's butt. No burrs or ridges, or anything. What do I do? Get rid of these guns and buy real expensive ones? Anyone else have cheap shotguns that extract and feed without problems?

Based on my three shotguns in the past: Mossberg 590A1, Mossberg 930, and Remington 870, I had to do polishing of the chamber, tuning the extractor before they became reliable with those cheaper bulk shotgun ammunition.

Now a days, I own a Stoeger M3K and Benelli Super Nova Tactical. Needless to say, they are both reliable out of the box and I am at peace deploying them for HD/personal use.

Other's might have a better experience with the Mossberg and Remington brands and I don't disparage their feedback. My experience was different though.

YMMV.

[sigstroker]

Have you tested them with your "serious" ammo?
If "serious" means HD, it's even more important to make sure the ammo/firearm combination does not cause a malfunction.

No. My range doesn't allow slugs or buck. At some point I'd have to find a place I could shoot them. Doesn't really matter right now because they won't even shoot birdshot.

Have you tried asking your local gun shop for one?

Not yet, I've been hoping to avoid shipping the guns.

[Imageview]

Based on my three shotguns in the past: Mossberg 590A1, Mossberg 930, and Remington 870, I had to do polishing of the chamber, tuning the extractor before they became reliable with those cheaper bulk shotgun ammunition.

Now a days, I own a Stoeger M3K and Benelli Super Nova Tactical. Needless to say, they are both reliable out of the box and I am at peace deploying them for HD/personal use.

Other's might have a better experience with the Mossberg and Remington brands and I don't disparage their feedback. My experience was different though.

YMMV.

Interestingly I bought your 870 and it was perfectly reliable, so whatever you did worked. I eventually passed it to a good friend and between the two of us and his kids we?ve fed thousands of rounds through it with no hitches.

[deckhandmike]

Put aside that ammo. Buy something else, put a few hundred through it and then try it again. If you hone your chamber which isn’t a bad idea you might void your warranty.

Returning the gun sounds like a hassle. They will likely just try some ammo they know works and send it back saying it’s fine. So play with ammo for a while. And when you run it, run it with authority. A lot of malfunctions are user error.

[bohoki]

try federal they are fluted

[DArBad]

Interestingly I bought your 870 and it was perfectly reliable, so whatever you did worked. I eventually passed it to a good friend and between the two of us and his kids we?ve fed thousands of rounds through it with no hitches.

Hello, hello, hello...good to hear from you again.

Yeah, I polished the chamber real good, replaced the stock extractor and extractor spring, upgraded the " carrier dog " spring with a stronger one from a Remington Police 870, and if you've noticed, I also polished the two pump " bars " and recesses so that the pump glides smooooothly .

I had to break many sharp areas near the ejection port because I cut my hand in those areas, and I had to polish the edges of the recess areas of the extractor near the chamber barrel because there were burrs there as well.

ONLY when I was satisfied that everything is as it should be, did I put it on sale. Glad my ministrations worked well for you.

[sigstroker]

Put aside that ammo. Buy something else, put a few hundred through it and then try it again. If you hone your chamber which isn?t a bad idea you might void your warranty.

Returning the gun sounds like a hassle. They will likely just try some ammo they know works and send it back saying it?s fine. So play with ammo for a while. And when you run it, run it with authority. A lot of malfunctions are user error.

A few hundred, lol. I have to do some fast talking at the range to get them to let me do a tube full.

[BOBGBA]

Hello, hello, hello...good to hear from you again.

Yeah, I polished the chamber real good, replaced the stock extractor and extractor spring, upgraded the " dog " spring with a stronger one from a Remington Police 870, and if you've noticed, I also polished the two pump " bars " and recesses so that the pump glides smooooothly .

I had to break many sharp areas near the ejection port because I cut my hand in those areas, and I had to polish the edges of the recess areas of the extractor near the chamber barrel because there were burrs there as well.

ONLY when I was satisfied that everything is as should be, did I put it on sale. Glad my ministrations worked well for you.

Which model was it, an express?
What did you use to polish the chamber?

[DArBad]

Which model was it, an express?
What did you use to polish the chamber?

Yes, it was an Express.

I used a XXX steel wool soaked in synthetic Mobil 1 oil, and used a wooden dowel rod (forgot the size, 1/2 or 3/4 inch). I took my sweet time doing it, as I didn't want to rush the process like what you see on a lot of you tube videos.

As a final touch, I used a jewelers rouge with smear of jewelers polish.

I had the patience to do these things then. Not anymore.

PS: That recess where the hook of the extractor snaps into the chamber to grab the base of the shell, you need to be anal in making sure that place has nice crisp edges. Mine came stock with burrs. I had to break that with jewelers file and polished.