Is there a mag capacity limit for mag fed pump guns?

[M1AyeOne]

Stuff like the mossberg, remington, or SDS pumpguns that take box magazines; is the legal limit still 10 rounds and under? Or is it different for shotguns?

Also, are you allowed to put on collapsing stocks and pistol grips on mag fed pump guns?

Thanks!

[Quiet]

Is there a mag capacity limit for mag fed pump guns?

Stuff like the mossberg, remington, or SDS pumpguns that take box magazines; is the legal limit still 10 rounds and under? Or is it different for shotguns?

Also, are you allowed to put on collapsing stocks and pistol grips on mag fed pump guns?

Under CA laws...

CA large capacity magazine laws prohibits the making, importing, or transferring of a large capacity (11+ round) magazine in CA. [PC 32310(a)]
CA large capacity magazine parts kit laws prohibits the making, importing, or transferring of a large capacity magazine conversion kit in CA. [PC 32311(a)]

Fixed tubular magazines on .22 caliber firearms [PC 16740(b)] and fixed tubular magazines on lever-action firearm [PC 16740(c)] are exempt from these laws.

Therefore...

Only fixed tubular magazines on lever-action shotguns are exempt from CA large capacity magazine laws.

It is illegal to make, import, or transfer an ammunition feeding device that has a capacity of greater than 10 rounds for a non-lever-action shotgun.

It is illegal to make, import, or transfer the parts that would make a fixed tubular magazine on a non-lever-action shotgun have a capacity of greater than 10 rounds.

Currently, a person that legally acquired a large capacity magazine for a shotgun can still legally own and use it in CA in a manner that would not create an illegal assault weapon weapon.
^legally acquired equating to obtaining it when it was legal to acquire them or obtaining it via exemption.


The only CA restrictions for manually operated shotguns are:
1. Minimum barrel length of 18". [PC 17180(a)]
2. Minimum overall length of 26". [PC 17180(b)]

[RickD427]

Stuff like the mossberg, remington, or SDS pumpguns that take box magazines; is the legal limit still 10 rounds and under? Or is it different for shotguns?

Also, are you allowed to put on collapsing stocks and pistol grips on mag fed pump guns?

Thanks!

Please keep in mind that California has two different types of magazine limits:

1) There are limitations on magazine capacity that are imposed on the particular weapon. Penal Code section 30515 is a good example where magazine capacity is used to define a weapon as an "Assault Weapon." There are prohibitions on having detachable magazines (of any capacity), and having a folding or telescoping stock on a semi-automatic shotgun. Please note that the restrictions do not apply to a pump shotgun.

2) There are also capacity limits that apply to magazines themselves, and without regard to the weapon in which such magazines may be placed. Penal Code section 32310 is a good example. It criminalizes the possession of any "Large-Capacity Magazine" regardless of the type of weapon. Please note that "Large Capacity Magazine" is defined as having more than 10 round capacity, and includes any device that can feed the weapon. It is not limited to traditional "magazines." Additionally, please note that enforcement of the possession clause of PC 32310 is currently enjoined by federal court order. Enforcement of the importation and manufacturing clauses are not so enjoined.

[M1AyeOne]

Gotcha, so what I got from both posters is that the pump gun is fine with 10 round mags and under, and okay with any stock and grip configuration so long as it meets OAL and barrel length considerations.

However, semi-auto shotguns, or extended mag tubes for some tube fed guns, can cause issues.

Thanks!

[Quiet]

Gotcha, so what I got from both posters is that the pump gun is fine with 10 round mags and under, and okay with any stock and grip configuration so long as it meets OAL and barrel length considerations.

However, semi-auto shotguns, or extended mag tubes for some tube fed guns, can cause issues.

Thanks!

Quick summary...

Magazine capacity:

For all shotguns in CA, if it has a fixed tubular magazine that holds 10 or less rounds, then they are legal in CA.

For lever-action shotguns only, it is CA legal for it to have a fixed tubular magazine that holds more than 10 rounds. [PC 16740(c)]

For manually operated repeating shotguns, it is CA legal for them to utilize detachable magazines.


Restricted features:

For all shotguns in CA, they must meet the minimum length requirements (min 18" BL + min 26" OAL) [PC 17180(a),(b)] and they can not utilize a revolving cylinder [PC 30515(a)(8)].

For semi-auto shotguns only, the can not have restricted features [PC 30515(a)(6)] and they must operate from a fixed magazine [PC 30515(a)(7)].

[SkyHawk]

Also note the magazine capacity for a shotgun is based on the largest shell size that the chamber is stamped to take. If you have a 3.5" chamber and a mag that holds 10 3.5" shells, the mag is still legal even if can hold 12 2.75" shells or 20 mini shells

[Angrysnarf]

10

None for say the ksg which can reach 40 something in the extended one and mini shells lol

[hermosabeach]

This state is so goofy

I appreciate the post and replies

I recall the benelli competition shooters having an X rail with 3or 4 tubes that rotate.

Shoot one
Rotate
Shoot the next tube

So 8x4 tubes - 32 shots +1 in the chamber

[hermosabeach]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=i-koXI1iEK8

[Quiet]

This state is so goofy

I appreciate the post and replies

I recall the benelli competition shooters having an X rail with 3or 4 tubes that rotate.

Shoot one
Rotate
Shoot the next tube

So 8x4 tubes - 32 shots +1 in the chamber

Since each fixed tubular magazine needs to be manually rotated in place, they are considered separate ammunition feeding devices and since each ammunition feeding device holds 10 or less rounds, it is not considered a large capacity magazine.

Other examples...

The IWI Tavor TS12 has three fixed tubular magazines that need to rotated in place.

The Kel-Tec KSG and S&W M&P-12 has two fixed tubular magazines with a selector lever that must be manually operated to select which ammunition feeding device to feed from.

The UTAS UTS-12 has two fixed tubular magazines that auto feeds from both magazines which causes them to be considered one ammunition feeding device. The CA legal versions of the UTS-12 either have their tubular magazines block/limited to 5 rounds each or are modified so that the auto feed system is disabled and each magazine must be manually selected, in order to comply with CA large capacity magazine laws.

[DaveInOroValley]

Actually the IWI Tavor TS12 has three fixed tubular rotating magazines.

[W.R.Buchanan]

[QUOTE=Quiet;26774258]Since each fixed tubular magazine needs to be manually rotated in place, they are considered separate ammunition feeding devices and since each ammunition feeding device holds 10 or less rounds, it is not considered a large capacity magazine.[Quote]

It does however make the gun a little muzzle heavy. Not exactly something you could run around with comfortably.

Randy