How Do you make a Saiga 12 CA Compliant

[jgoot832]

Good Day All,

Does anyone know the current configuration on making a Saiga 12 California compliant?

[Verdha603]

Good Day All,

Does anyone know the current configuration on making a Saiga 12 California compliant?

Most popular method is to insert a plug into the gas port to make the Saiga-12/Vepr-12/AK shotguns into a straight-pull bolt-action shotgun.

https://maglatchusa.com/saiga-12ga-20ga-410-gas-port-plug/

[jgoot832]

Maglatch gas puck...should he about $25 if in stock. 2nd ****tier option, permanently lock the magazine

[hermosabeach]

with mag locked in place, the mag cannot be loaded

as the person posted its the ####iest option

[Quiet]

How Do you make a Saiga 12 CA Compliant

Does anyone know the current configuration on making a Saiga 12 California compliant?

There are currently two methods of making it CA legal.


Option A. Manually operated shotgun:
1. Plug the gas block.
^This can be done by installing a MagLatch Gas Port Plug and removing the gas piston or by welding the gas port closed and removing the gas piston.
With the gas port blocked off, the shotgun will operate as a straight pull bolt-action.
As a manually operated (straight pull bolt-action) shotgun, the firearm can legally have features that are prohibited on semi-auto shotguns.

Option B. Fixed magazine semi-auto shotgun:
1. Fix a magazine into the magazine well so that it can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or so that it it permanently attached in the magazine well.
^This can be done by locking a magazine into the magazine well and weld/epoxy/rivet it in place.
As a fixed magazine semi-auto shotgun, the shotgun will still need to be configured so that it does not have any restricted features.

The loading procedure for a fixed magazine AK style semi-auto firearm is as follows:
1. Check to see if it is loaded.
2. Remove top cover.
3. Remove the recoil spring assembly.
4. Remove the bolt-carrier group.
5. Load magazine.
6. Reinstall the bolt-carrier group.
7. Reinstall the recoil spring assembly.
8. Reinstall the top cover.

[jgoot832]

Wow! Thanks for the info.. Option A it is minus welding! [emoji1303]


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[MajorSideburns]

There are currently two methods of making it CA legal.


Option A. Manually operated shotgun:
1. Plug the gas block.
^This can be done by installing a MagLatch Gas Port Plug and removing the gas piston or by welding the gas port closed and removing the gas piston.
With the gas port blocked off, the shotgun will operate as a straight pull bolt-action.
As a manually operated (straight pull bolt-action) shotgun, the firearm can legally have features that are prohibited on semi-auto shotguns.

Option B. Fixed magazine semi-auto shotgun:
1. Fix a magazine into the magazine well so that it can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or so that it it permanently attached in the magazine well.
^This can be done by locking a magazine into the magazine well and weld/epoxy/rivet it in place.
As a fixed magazine semi-auto shotgun, the shotgun will still need to be configured so that it does not have any restricted features.

The loading procedure for a fixed magazine AK style semi-auto firearm is as follows:
1. Check to see if it is loaded.
2. Remove top cover.
3. Remove the recoil spring assembly.
4. Remove the bolt-carrier group.
5. Load magazine.
6. Reinstall the bolt-carrier group.
7. Reinstall the recoil spring assembly.
8. Reinstall the top cover.

Doesn't the original bullet button cage around the magazine release lever still comply? I just double checked the law and while they updated the definition of fixed magazine which is used in the definitions for rifle and pistol assault weapons, it is not used in the legal the definition for assault weapon shotguns. The legal definition of assault weapon for shotgun remains unchanged from prior to 2016. Looks like a legislative oversight in our favor.

[Quiet]

Doesn't the original bullet button cage around the magazine release lever still comply? I just double checked the law and while they updated the definition of fixed magazine which is used in the definitions for rifle and pistol assault weapons, it is not used in the legal the definition for assault weapon shotguns. The legal definition of assault weapon for shotgun remains unchanged from prior to 2016. Looks like a legislative oversight in our favor.

Nope.

CA regulations defined it, effective 07-01-2017 [11 CCR 5471(a)], and made it legally enforceable on 01-08-2019 [11 CCR 5460 and PC 30520(c)].

CA legislature amended PC 30515 in 2019 to incorporate the changes enacted by the CA regulations, it went into effect 08-06-2020. [PC 30515(a)(7)]



Penal Code 30515
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that does not have a fixed magazine.
(b) For purposes of this section, “fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.

Penal Code 30520
(c) The Attorney General shall adopt those rules and regulations that may be necessary or proper to carry out the purposes and intent of this chapter.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 1 Section 5460
Application of Definitions.
The definitions of terms in section 5471 of this chapter shall apply to the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 30515.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 2 Section 5471
Explanation of Terms Related to Assault Weapon Designation.
For purposes of Penal Code section 30900 and Articles 2 and 3 of this Chapter the following definitions shall apply:
(a) “Ability to accept a detachable magazine” means with respect to a semiautomatic shotgun, it does not have a fixed magazine.
(p) “Fixed magazine” means an ammunition feeding device contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm action.

[Capybara]

Wow, the Tavor TS-12 looks like a hell of a lot more fun to shoot than an uber-neutered Saiga or other magazine fed semi-automatic shotgun? Having to make your semi-auto into a straight pull or "must be literally disassembled to load" semi auto seems ridiculous.

[MajorSideburns]

Nope.

CA regulations defined it, effective 07-01-2017 [11 CCR 5471(a)], and made it legally enforceable on 01-08-2019 [11 CCR 5460 and PC 30520(c)].

CA legislature amended PC 30515 in 2019 to incorporate the changes enacted by the CA regulations, it went into effect 08-06-2020. [PC 30515(a)(7)]



Penal Code 30515A semiautomatic shotgun that does not have a fixed magazine.Penal Code 30520
(c) The Attorney General shall adopt those rules and regulations that may be necessary or proper to carry out the purposes and intent of this chapter.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 1 Section 5460
Application of Definitions.
The definitions of terms in section 5471 of this chapter shall apply to the identification of assault weapons pursuant to Penal Code section 30515.

California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 2 Section 5471
Explanation of Terms Related to Assault Weapon Designation.
For purposes of Penal Code section 30900 and Articles 2 and 3 of this Chapter the following definitions shall apply:
(a)

Thanks Quiet, I guess the first hit on google that I got was the outdated senate bill. Did anyone sue for an open registration period for assault weapon shotguns for people who had them prior to those updates between 2017-2019?

[Quiet]

Thanks Quiet, I guess the first hit on google that I got was the outdated senate bill. Did anyone sue for an open registration period for assault weapon shotguns for people who had them prior to those updates between 2017-2019?

AFAIK...
No, because people who owned semi-auto shotguns with "bullet button" style magazine releases were allowed to register them as assault weapons during the 2017-2018 registration window.

The CA DOJ regulations that went into effect on 07-01-2017, also indicated that people who own semi-auto shotguns with "bullet button" style magazine releases were required to register them as assault weapons before 07-01-2018 or render them into a non-assault weapon configurations. [11 CCR 5470(d)]

The change that went into effect on 01-08-2019 meant that people who did not register them by 07-01-2018 and still possessed them configured as a semi-auto shotgun with a "bullet button" style magazine release could now be prosecuted for possessing an unregistered assault weapon. [11 CCR 5460]
^This is due to the regulations effective on 07-01-2017 were limited to defining what was allowed to be registered and the update effective on 01-08-2019 expanded those definitions to be used for criminal enforcement.



California Code of Regulations Title 11 Division 5 Chapter 39 Article 2 Section 5470
Which Weapons Must be Registered.
(d) A semiautomatic shotgun with an ammunition feeding device that can be readily removed from the firearm with the use of a tool, commonly referred to as a bullet-button weapon, is included in the category of firearms that must be registered.

[Angrysnarf]

How Do you make a Saiga 12 CA Compliant

Atlantic firearms makes them ca compliant when purchasing. They use the plug method.

[pzbike]

[W.R.Buchanan]

1. Move out of the state.
2. Don't buy one.
3. Don't worry about it.

Randy