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[Vinnie Boombatz]

Thanks Vinnie:

The class I did last year in late November was a Skill Builder and I DG'd that class with my A5. Next I need to DG the class with a Pump Gun.

The Skill Builder Classes are designed to get you thru the test and the amount of shooting you do is much more compressed than a regular 2 or 4 day class.

They don't spends as much time on lecturing the fundamentals as you are expected to have them in place after several of the other classes. They are coaching on "Economy of Motion" and speeding up your technique so you can make the time cuts on the test.

If you goto www.frontsight.com and buy the Dry Practice Training Manuals, they all have the Skills Test in the back of the book as well as all of the techniques they teach for the gun handling of any weapon system. It is pretty good stuff.

If you practice enough at home it is not too hard to pass the test.

But really with the shotguns, handling the individual rounds is the most important technique to master. If can do that you are way ahead of the game.

Just ask Vinnie?

Randy

I can attest to this. Although I haven't taken the shotgun class yet, I've taken the 4-Day Defensive Handgun Class or 2-Day Handgun Skill Builder for a total of 6 times in the last year and a half. First time I was a mess, second time it made more sense. then went home a practiced, went back a couple months later and took the Skill Builder and G'd. Went back with a few friends and did the 4-Day again and G'd. Then DG'd the last two times there. Between classes I never went to my local range and never fired any live ammo aside form the times I was at Front Sight and only did dry practice at home diligently.

I have been trying to get out to the shotgun class but my schedule with work and school coupled with the fact that Front Sight doesn't offer the shotgun class as often as I wish they did, it looks like I'll have to wait until April 2022 to take it, which sucks because I have a brand new 1301 I'm dying to take out there.

I had all intentions of taking my 590A1 with a 20" barrel to the class, but after getting the 1301 the 590A1 feels like a boat anchor. Like the difference between driving a dump truck and driving a Ferrari.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Take both! there is nothing that says you can't shoot one one day and the other a different day. Plus that, if one gun cacks you have a back up.

Randy

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Take both! there is nothing that says you can't shoot one one day and the other a different day. Plus that, if one gun cacks you have a back up.

Randy

For sure. If I end up driving and not flying I'll take both, and it is always nice to have a backup. With that said, I'm pretty sure the 590A1 wouldn't get used is I took the 1301.

I'm actually tempted to sell the 590A1 and get another 1301.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Pump Gun reliability is a good thing and it could be your house gun. But you need both and you need to know how to run both. You may not always have the gun you want to go to war with. You might have to pick something off the ground and use it. Knowing how to run different guns is a good thing.

The Berettas and Benelli's can and will malfunction, and that is just a fact with the Semi Autos. Pumps are almost impossible to get to malfunction unless you do something stupid like put a shell in backwards. (Very hard to clear!!!!) or short stroke them.

When I go, I take the A5 and one of my M500's and I switch off between them so I get time drilling each one. That way I stay somewhat current on both types of guns, then try to keep it up to speed at the 3 gun shoots once a month in SB. I really need to shoot more and hopefully I will be able to do that more soon. I also want to get my Instructors Ticket so I can teach people how to do this stuff. Understanding many guns is key to that, as you never know what a student will bring to class.

Randy

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Pump Gun reliability is a good thing and it could be your house gun. But you need both and you need to know how to run both. You may not always have the gun you want to go to war with. You might have to pick something off the ground and use it. Knowing how to run different guns is a good thing.

The Berettas and Benelli's can and will malfunction, and that is just a fact with the Semi Autos. Pumps are almost impossible to get to malfunction unless you do something stupid like put a shell in backwards. (Very hard to clear!!!!) or short stroke them.

When I go, I take the A5 and one of my M500's and I switch off between them so I get time drilling each one. That way I stay somewhat current on both types of guns, then try to keep it up to speed at the 3 gun shoots once a month in SB. I really need to shoot more and hopefully I will be able to do that more soon. I also want to get my Instructors Ticket so I can teach people how to do this stuff. Understanding many guns is key to that, as you never know what a student will bring to class.

Randy

Dammit, you're right again.

[Oceanbob]

I'm actually tempted to sell the 590A1 and get another 1301.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

I am still deciding on a good sling.

I have Blue Force Gear Vickers Padded Slings on all my shotguns and AR's.

[shortround1]

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The whole point is that you should set up your guns so they work for YOU and not anyone else! Taking suggestions from others is a way to figure out what works and what doesn't and if you think this is free,,, you are mistaken!!!! Luckily there is the Sellers Forum here!

My ongoing .02 on this subject.

Randy

I'm not sure who this was directed towards. To be clear, I'm only thinking out loud in this thread, I'm not an easily influenced individual. I just want this thread to be a positive resource for anyone thinking about what adapter, stock, or other parts they might be thinking about for their 1301. And for the most part, I think it's going well.

[Vinnie Boombatz]

I'm not sure who this was directed towards. To be clear, I'm only thinking out loud in this thread, I'm not an easily influenced individual. I just want this thread to be a positive resource for anyone thinking about what adapter, stock, or other parts they might be thinking about for their 1301. And for the most part, I think it's going well.

I don't think Randy was speaking directly to, or being critical of anyone in particular, but whenever there are opposing views in a thread there tends to be someone who thinks they are being singled out specifically. I don't think this is the case here.

Randy offers some great advice based on his experiences where he's tried different things and jsut shares what has worked for him and what hasn't. Thats might be beneficial to some and help them figuring out what they like and/or don't like, but in the end you jsut have to experience it for yourself to decide what you prefer, and that sir, might end up costing you money along the way because of the trial and error process.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Yes,,, many people here have not had any dealing with Tactical Shotguns and thus are here to see what can be done to improve them. Pretty much all guns can benefit from some personal tweaking.

Since Shotguns actually Recoil a substantial amount, Fit on a shotgun becomes much more important than it is with rifles. If the gun doesn't fit you it will beat the snot out of you. Simple as that.

Mind you if you are only going to fire a few rounds here and there you can probably get away with the gun however it comes to you. But if you have an interest in actually learning how to use the gun effectively you will need to fire literally thousands of rounds thru the gun and if it doesn't fit you you will experience Pain!!! and lots of it!!! This is the experience part talking.

In most cases there will be a learning curve and also ongoing gun modifications to get everything working for you. Gun fit is key as if the gun is not beating you, you won't have your attention on getting smacked everytime you pull the trigger, and will be able to concentrate on your shooting technique more effectively. You only have so much attention to go around, and when you are agonizing on pulling the trigger, it is counter productive. Not a hard concept to grasp?

The way to get around all of this is to get trained.

I promote Front Sight alot here because the vast majority of my training over the last 16 years has been done there. I have been to 30 different classes, pistol, rifle and shotgun as well as a few specialty classes. I like doing it because it is FUN!!! But also because I like being good at things I do.

All of these classes have one thing in common. They teach how to do something with the gun. Then they bring you out on the range and get the Practical experience of actually doing what they just showed you how to do. Some times those things take many iterations to fully absorb and that is where the repetitions help to solidify the technique.

Most two day classes have 200-300 rounds fired, and 4 day classes, have 400-500 rounds fired. With Pistols or Rifles this isn't a big deal Physically, however with shotguns it is. and therein lies the concept of having the gun fit you and work with you instead of continuously beating the snot out of you.

It may take several trips to the class to get your shotgun dialed in and several more to get you dialed in. But if you really want to learn how to use the gun that is what it will take. The first trip is more like an "Introduction to the Discipline." Repeat Trips and Home Practice serve to make you better and refine your Gun Handling to where you are actually a Formidable Weapon, which should be everyone who seeks to use firearms, ultimate goal.

Failure to do so can result in getting hurt or hurting someone else due to your incompetence. We have seen that in the Movies recently!!!

Randy

[Mute]

A stock that doesn't fit you well not only can cause pain while being shot, it will also slow down your handling, aiming and firing of the gun. It could potentially force you to adjust how you get that gun up to your shoulder in a way that may reinforce a bad habit and affect the way you handle your other long guns.