What makes a shotgun an illegal aw?

[bronco1500]

First off a buddy and me were having a beer.....(dont the best stories start that way) Anyways he's a cop and we both have oll rifles. Neither of us know much about shotgun assault weapon laws. Anyways he is exempt from the 10 round limit on magazines. This goes for all weapons not just duty weapons. We started talking about the saiga 12. He can legally get a 20 round drum, and getting the Saiga is no biggie. We knew that the gun has to be 26 inches long and cant have a detach mag. Pistol grips front and back are legal.

So... Is it legal...for him...to get a converted saiga, add a forward grip AND a fixed 20 round drum?

Thanks for any help.

[ke6guj]

So... Is it legal...for him...to get a converted saiga, add a forward grip AND a fixed 20 round drum?

yup, legal as long as he does not have a folding/collapsable stock along with the pistol grip and VFG.

No law against a fixed mag of more than 10-rounds installed in a shotgun.

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

Both of the following means that you must meet A and B, not that you have two B's.

[sonicbuff]

yup, legal as long as he does not have a folding/collapsable stock along with the pistol grip and VFG.

No law against a fixed mag of more than 10-rounds installed in a shotgun.





Both of the following means that you must meet A and B, not that you have two B's.

... and comply to 922r requirement.

[GuyW]

Adding the 20 round drum would make it an AW... It is considered a revolving cylinder.

SOMEBODY might consider it one, but theres

No cylinder involved.

But its good FUD.
.

[ke6guj]

Adding the 20 round drum would make it an AW... It is considered a revolving cylinder.

got any PC, CCR, or case law that says a revolving cylinder = drum?

[God Bless The Mauser]

An insane person with a pen and power can make anything an illegal AW.

[sergeantrex]

Adding the 20 round drum would make it an AW... It is considered a revolving cylinder.

Wrong! it's a drum not a cylinder!

[bronco1500]

So at the least a 12 round stick mag would be legal. The drum is what he was most interested in tho...just because he can.

[lokmeup]

SOMEBODY might consider it one, but theres

No cylinder involved.

But its good FUD.
.

got any PC, CCR, or case law that says a revolving cylinder = drum?

Wrong! it's a drum not a cylinder!

FUD... Fair enough... but I would not want to be the one fighting a "bogus" AW charge, burning my own money, losing valuable time, and possibly ruining my professional career. I like my life and don't want it to change over night due to an extremely grey area of the law. Anyways you can get at least 5x10 round sticks for the cost of one 20 round drum.

Cool factor and all... it's not worth it to chance.

But if I was a LEO thinking about this, I would ask my Chief first, not a forum.

[Dirtbiker]

Why ask the chief he might say no. I'd bet the Calguns community knows more about AW law than most chiefs do.

[bronco1500]

Why ask the chief he might say no. I'd bet the Calguns community knows more about AW law than most chiefs do.

That is absolutely true. The local district attorney would be better than the chief.

[unusedusername]

All this talk of 12 and 20 rounders...

I hope you have had those large capacity mags pre-2000 (when did they starting importing saiga-12s anyways?).

The ban on more then 10 round ammunition feeding devices does not state that the feeding devices need to go into a rifle...

EDIT: ke6guj is correct. Sorry for any confusion.

[ke6guj]

The OP is talking about a LEO who would be legally purchasing the large-capacity magazines. pre-2000 does not matter in this case.

[bronco1500]

anybody know how long a saiga is without a buttstock?

[vintagedude88]

...No law against a fixed mag of more than 10-rounds installed in a shotgun...

You mean there are no laws against it so long as this guy is a cop. Right?