Black Aces Tactical SemiAuto Bullpup

[andrewblanejr]

So is this a shotgun by CA standards? is it legal? I'm specifically asking about the semi-auto version, not the pump action version.

https://www.blackacestactical.com/bullpup

Super compact and comfortable design!
12 Gauge
18.5" barrel
Barrel Shroud

Ambidextrous charge handle, safety, and mag release!

Comes with 2 and 5rd magazines and 3 chokes!
28" Overall Length
Comes with Black Synthetic BAT Forward Grip
Mag Fed! Takes 1919 mags and drums
Cycles both light and heavy loads

[SigSauerP226]

There was a thread from Jan/Feb, should be good to go. Just not sure how good they are, I'd like one!

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1583042

Nevermind, I don't know about the semi. The one they have that says CA legal is pump...

[Quiet]

So is this a shotgun by CA standards? is it legal? I'm specifically asking about the semi-auto version, not the pump action version.

https://www.blackacestactical.com/bullpup

Super compact and comfortable design!
12 Gauge
18.5" barrel
Barrel Shroud

Ambidextrous charge handle, safety, and mag release!

Comes with 2 and 5rd magazines and 3 chokes!
28" Overall Length
Comes with Black Synthetic BAT Forward Grip
Mag Fed! Takes 1919 mags and drums
Cycles both light and heavy loads

It is considered an assault weapon due to it being a semi-auto shotgun that does not have a fixed magazine. [PC 30515(a)(7)]

Therefore, it is illegal (felony) to import, transport, transfer, and possess it in CA. [PC 30600(a) and 30605(a)]

It can be made CA legal prior to importation into CA by permanently attaching (weld/epoxy/rivet) a magazine into the magazine well.


Side note:
That Black Aces Tactical semi-auto bullpup shotgun is just their import version of the Turkish made Panzer Arm BP-12.

[Richmond10mm]

Oh man that is one hell of a reason to move outta CA

[andrewblanejr]

Dang...I was hoping that the non-rifled barrel and shotgun shells might make it NOT an assault weapon.

[Quiet]

I believe you can bypass the fixed mag if you were to disable or change the gas puck or gas system so that you had to manually cycle each round, and therefore would not be considered a semi auto at that point in that configuration

Making it into a manually operated shotgun is a CA legal option.

However, currently, the only option for keeping it semi-auto is to permanently attach a magazine into the magazine well.
^This is because no one has tried to make the second option, which would prevent the magazine from being removed from the firearm until the firearm is disassembled.

[KINGZ06]

Anything cool in california is normally illegal to own.

[SigSauerP226]

Another option may be the Rock Island VR80, it's like an AR shotgun and can be maglocked instead of permanent attached mag.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1528811

[Dirk Tungsten]

As much as I hate to threadjack, does anyone here have any hands on experience with any of the shotguns Black Aces imports? A lot of their stuff looks cool, but for the price a person has to wonder about quality.

[W.R.Buchanan]

The Turks generally make pretty good guns. They were taught by the Germans prior to WW 1 and make lots of guns.

Randy

[JagerDog]

Personally, I don't think a mag feed makes much sense in a shotgun.

It's not like you have some great amount of capacity.

To add shells you're out of battery.

[Quiet]

As much as I hate to threadjack, does anyone here have any hands on experience with any of the shotguns Black Aces imports? A lot of their stuff looks cool, but for the price a person has to wonder about quality.

They are all made in Turkey.

The Turks make good firearms.
^They were set up and had support from H&K and Beretta/Benelli.


Side note:
I'm interested in their lever-action shotgun, because Australia wanted to ban importation of it as an assault weapon and, since it's a lever-action, it's exempt from CA large capacity magazine laws (so, the fixed tubular magazine can legally be extended to 11+ rounds).

[JagerDog]

They are all made in Turkey.

The Turks make good firearms.
^They were set up and had support from H&K and Beretta/Benelli.


Side note:
I'm interested in their lever-action shotgun, because Australia wanted to ban importation of it as an assault weapon and, since it's a lever-action, it's exempt from CA large capacity magazine laws (so, the fixed tubular magazine can legally be extended to 11+ rounds).

That would be one long arse magazine. Then there's the requirement of X number of USA made parts I believe.

[1919_4_ME]

[Quiet]

That would be one long arse magazine. Then there's the requirement of X number of USA made parts I believe.

Needs 10 or less foreign made parts.

01. Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings or stampings
02. Barrels
03. Bolts
04. Bolt carriers
05. Operating rods
06. Trigger housings
07. Triggers
08. Hammers
09. Sears
10. Disconnectors
11. Buttstocks <-- replace
12. Pistol grips <-- replace
13. Forearms, handguards <-- replace
14. Magazine bodies <-- replace
15. Magazine followers <-- replace
16. Magazine floorplates <-- replace