Sling for shotgun class...

[W.R.Buchanan]

OK Vinnie as a fellow Front Sight Shotgunner I will show you what I do and you can go from there. Been to 5 shotgun classes so I'm starting the get the hang of it.

1. Do get the Magpul Buttstock and Fore End Magpul also makes an adapter to adapt a Remington recoil pad to the stock. Much larger than the regular Magpul pad, distributes recoil over a larger area..

Your sling choice is OK. However in order to mount it you will need an adapter with QD Sockets that bridges the Barrel and Mag Tube. Also from Magpul.

Next you will need the QD sockets to put in the holes on the sides of the stock.

Don't get the Magpul ones as they don't limit rotation and thus get tangled up easily, and they are also expensive. Go to Midway and get the Grove-Tec ones which are cheaper and do limit rotation and are like $8 for 2 each. Also get the Grov-Tec QD Sling Swivels for 1.25" slings. They are also cheap compared to Magpul. The Grov-Tec sockets get screwed into the holes in the stock and you need one on both sides.

When you rig the sling for Cross Body carry, which is the easiest way to do it for a class, you want to plug the sling into the right side of the stock so the gun is held up against you by the sling. If you rig it on the left side the gun will fall away form you constantly which gets old fast! You don't want the sling swivels to be able to fully rotate as it will get tangled easily. Hence the Limited Rotation Grov-Tec Sockets and Swivels.

The Magpul Front Socket is rotation limited so no problem with it.

Here some pics of my gun and it took 3 trips to get it right You get all of this knowledge for free.

The last pic is of the Vang Comp Porting and Barrel Work which will make the gun very smooth to shoot.

My gun is an absolute joy to shoot which makes it much easier to learn the lessons without getting beat to crap.

here's some links:

Magpul Barrel Adapter https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100529362?pid=458557 ( if you take the loop off it has a socket just like the other side.)

Grov-Tec Swivels and Sockets https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1015372197?pid=625257

Magpul Stock https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2319512418

Forend https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2319147823

Recoil Pad Adapter https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100529344?pid=189589

Recoil Pad https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1005553819?pid=314558

And finally Vang Comp which transforms the 590 from a Butt beater to a nice smooth shooting piece of machinery. www.vangcomp.com

Hope this helps, and you've got plenty of time to get it all done before FS reopens next month. Sorry but lots of this stuff is out of stock at Midway but at least you'll know what to look for at other vendors.

Good Luck Randy

[Vinnie Boombatz]

OK Vinnie as a fellow Front Sight Shotgunner I will show you what I do and you can go from there. Been to 5 shotgun classes so I'm starting the get the hang of it.

1. Do get the Magpul Buttstock and Fore End Magpul also makes an adapter to adapt a Remington recoil pad to the stock. Much larger than the regular Magpul pad, distributes recoil over a larger area..

Your sling choice is OK. However in order to mount it you will need an adapter with QD Sockets that bridges the Barrel and Mag Tube. Also from Magpul.

Next you will need the QD sockets to put in the holes on the sides of the stock.

Don't get the Magpul ones as they don't limit rotation and thus get tangled up easily, and they are also expensive. Go to Midway and get the Grove-Tec ones which are cheaper and do limit rotation and are like $8 for 2 each. Also get the Grov-Tec QD Sling Swivels for 1.25" slings. They are also cheap compared to Magpul. The Grov-Tec sockets get screwed into the holes in the stock and you need one on both sides.

When you rig the sling for Cross Body carry, which is the easiest way to do it for a class, you want to plug the sling into the right side of the stock so the gun is held up against you by the sling. If you rig it on the left side the gun will fall away form you constantly which gets old fast! You don't want the sling swivels to be able to fully rotate as it will get tangled easily. Hence the Limited Rotation Grov-Tec Sockets and Swivels.

The Magpul Front Socket is rotation limited so no problem with it.

Here some pics of my gun and it took 3 trips to get it right You get all of this knowledge for free.

The last pic is of the Vang Comp Porting and Barrel Work which will make the gun very smooth to shoot.

My gun is an absolute joy to shoot which makes it much easier to learn the lessons without getting beat to crap.

here's some links:

Magpul Barrel Adapter https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100529362?pid=458557 ( if you take the loop off it has a socket just like the other side.)

Grov-Tec Swivels and Sockets https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1015372197?pid=625257

Magpul Stock https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2319512418

Forend https://www.midwayusa.com/product/2319147823

Recoil Pad Adapter https://www.midwayusa.com/product/100529344?pid=189589

Recoil Pad https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1005553819?pid=314558

And finally Vang Comp which transforms the 590 from a Butt beater to a nice smooth shooting piece of machinery. www.vangcomp.com

Hope this helps, and you've got plenty of time to get it all done before FS reopens next month. Sorry but lots of this stuff is out of stock at Midway but at least you'll know what to look for at other vendors.

Good Luck Randy

PM sent. Thanks for this!

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Wondering what the advantages and/or disadvantages would be for attaching the front of the sling with either of these methods:

Attaching a swivel to the magazine cap since magazine cap on the 590A1 has a mount for something like this:



vs.

This Magpul mount:



And if I did go with the Magpul mount, do most prefer the QD attachment or the clip attachment?

It does seem like the Magpul mount would be more secure and less strain on the end of the magazine tube with the other way of mounting the sling.

[Thefeeder]

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Randy

Did you run the same Magpul buttstock and recoil pad before and after the Vang barrel addition?

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Here's what I ended up going with, and thanks to everyone who offered opinions.


Magpul stock.


GrovTec Heavy Duty Push Button Sling Swivel Set w/ Limited Rotation Swivel Bases (to attach sling to stock)


Magpul MS1 Sling


Magpul Paraclip (to attach sling to front)

Magpul Forward Sling Attachment


Magpul Forward Sling Mount


P.S. I should have just bought the damn Magpul version of this shotgun to begin with. Sure, the bayonet is cool, but I'd probably never use it and would have had all the Magpul options already on the gun in place of the bayonet.

[W.R.Buchanan]

feeder: yes I did. Vang Comp came just before the 3rd class.

Scott: I see what you were saying about the Sockets on Midway.

Here's the link to the Grov-Tec Limited Rotation Sockets

https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1004655786?pid=972000

For those of you who are following this, what happens without limited rotation sockets is that the sling swivel will freely rotate 360 degrees and this will happen frequently when you are taking the gun on or off before and after different iterations during the day. This ends up as a twist in the sling which is a PITB to deal with when you are trying to concentrate on what they just taught you.

Guys getting the gun set up to where it works with you instead of against you is a big deal. You are standing around with a 6-10 lb gun hanging off you for long periods of time and if it isn't comfortable is gets old FAST!

My experience in setting up guns which are used in class situations will also transfer to field uses, and usually it isn't exactly right the first time, however I can always get it right after a few tries because I keep at it until it is right. I have no tolerance for guns that have rough edges and wear on your hands, or things about them that just don't work well. They get fixed or get gone!. This has carried over to all my Carbines and Shotguns, and on my latest one (Ruger PCC Carbine) I just did what I knew would work and it was perfect right out of the gate.

There is also alot of personal preference here and you have to do what works for you, this isn't a one size fits all situation, it usually becomes a trial and error thing and I have plenty of spare parts to show for it.

Once you get your gun set up right, and then your gun handling comes together, you can then concentrate on speed of shot delivery and accuracy.

But gun setup is the first thing you do after you take it out of the box. It is where you start.

Randy

[357manny]

Here's what I ended up going with, and thanks to everyone who offered opinions.


Magpul stock.

GrovTec Heavy Duty Push Button Sling Swivel Set w/ Limited Rotation Swivel Bases (to attach sling to stock)

Magpul MS1 Sling

Magpul Paraclip (to attach sling to front)

Magpul Forward Sling Attachment

Magpul Forward Sling Mount

P.S. I should have just bought the damn Magpul version of this shotgun to begin with. Sure, the bayonet is cool, but I'd probably never use it and would have had all the Magpul options already on the gun in place of the bayonet.

That's a pretty damn sweet setup.

I was hoping to have an all-in-one shotty for hunting/trap shooting/HD and training. But buying a second barrel to cut down to 18.25 inches for the semi auto isn't cost effective--at $380, maybe I'll look at buying a dedicated HD shotgun.

[damon1272]

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Randy - great post about set up

Vinne- avoid single point slings unless you like getting hit in the nuts.

I would add to Randy’s post to not be afraid to change your set up mid class and not suffer. Add to the comb to adjust getting a good cheek mount so the sights or bead is right without adjustment so you don’t get slapped in the face with recoil and you are on target faster.

I’m signed up for the May 1st class for shot gun. I have shot a ton of trap over the years and look forward to learning some new things about the shotgun and how to reload much faster.

I don't like getting hit in the nuts.

My shotgun has ghost rings, but they're pretty high off the barrel.

[damon1272]

Shot guns are all about fit. The better they fit the more accurate you are on moving targets. Personally if you eye doesn’t line up with the sights with your cheek into the stock then you can build up a cheek piece with foam and tape. I have used these before https://matthewsfabrication.com/
Before you do anything if you have the chance is to go to a range and pattern your shot gun and see where it hits with your particular load. The sights you have on your shotgun work well especially for slug. Just need to make the gun fit you. When are you planning to attend a class?

[Vinnie Boombatz]

The MS1 sling arrived today. Now I have to wait for all the other parts. Was tough finding all the parts from one vendor, as many things are out of stock, or not the color I wanted. The Magpul SGA stock was the toughest thing to find. Hopefully everything else shows up by the end of next week.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I don't like getting hit in the nuts.

My shotgun has ghost rings, but they're pretty high off the barrel.

Good to see you got the one with the rifle sights. when shooting slugs you have a .73 caliber rifle and Rifle Sights come in handy.

All my Tactical Shotguns have them, and I just got a new barrel for my 18.5" HD gun that has sights. All mine are open sights and I try to install green FO inserts in them as that color shines bright in the sunlight or if you have a light on the gun at home you can't miss the Front Sight at night.

I don't think you can do that with the Mossberg Front Sight as they are solid usually painted dayglo orange. I recommend painting the back edge of the Front Sight White as it seems to show up better against more backgrounds than other colors.

Oh and get the Magpul Fore End too as it is easy to mount a 3" piece of Pic Rail under it to attach a light. And the real added bonus is that the flange on the rear of the fore end makes it faster to close the bolt when port loading the gun.

Randy

[Vinnie Boombatz]

My Mossberg has a fiber optic front sight:

[W.R.Buchanan]

Great you can just snip it and get some green FO rod material from Brownell's and change it out when you get a chance. It's easy to do just heat one end with a match or butane lighter until it melts and forms a bead then insert it thru the holes in the sight and heat the other end until it forms a bead. Done Might take a few times to get the hang of it, but you'll have plenty of material to work with.

Actually after seeing yours up close there might be Green FO Light Pipes premade for that sight. Brownell's is the place to look for all the stuff for your gun. While you're at it look for a steel raised safety button from them as well. Helps with safety manipulation when you do it hundreds of times in a day.

Velcro side saddle. google "Browncoat Tactical" for that as they are the best.

Isn't this fun?

Randy

[Vinnie Boombatz]

Great you can just snip it and get some green FO rod material from Brownell's and change it out when you get a chance. It's easy to do just heat one end with a match or butane lighter until it melts and forms a bead then insert it thru the holes in the sight and heat the other end until it forms a bead. Done Might take a few times to get the hang of it, but you'll have plenty of material to work with.

Actually after seeing yours up close there might be Green FO Light Pipes premade for that sight. Brownell's is the place to look for all the stuff for your gun. While you're at it look for a steel raised safety button from them as well. Helps with safety manipulation when you do it hundreds of times in a day.

Velcro side saddle. google "Browncoat Tactical" for that as they are the best.

Isn't this fun?

Randy

We're on the same page again! Got three side saddles/shot cards from Browncoat Tactical last week. At first I thought I got the wrong side saddle, because the shells were really hard to load into the saddle/shot card, bot they have stretched out a bit. I was thinking I'd prefer the fixed/rigid side saddle instead, but I think these will loosen up a bit more. I hope they do.

So you prefer a green fiber optic over red? More visible?

Also I see you got the Brownell's safety. I've seen a few others out there as well or varying shapes/designs.