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  • jlchavis0844
    Banned
    • Apr 2009
    • 31

    Is it Kosher

    A "friend of mine" happens to own a slightly modified Mossberg 500 security (7+1). Basically it has fore and aft pistol grips. He seems to think that because he added the pistol grips it's now illegal. I tried to explain that only counts towards semi-auto (auto loaders), but he won't listen. Can you guys verify that this shotgun pictured below is legal under California's laws.
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    Tallship
    Senior Member
    • Jan 2008
    • 609

    It looks to be a SBS, which makes it a Federal felony. Otherwise, it's OK.
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    • #3
      Baron
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2007
      • 797

      looks legal to me.
      But I'm not a Da or LEO.

      Maybe have your friend look up the regs for shotguns.
      All you need to pay attention to for a pump is
      Barrel needs to be 18" or over and the over all length has to be 26" or over
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      • #4
        jlchavis0844
        Banned
        • Apr 2009
        • 31

        Originally posted by Tallship
        It looks to be a SBS, which makes it a Federal felony. Otherwise, it's OK.
        It's an unmodified barrel.

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        • #5
          f4iguy
          Member
          • Jan 2009
          • 183

          If there was any question to legality why post a picture? Doesn't make a lot of since to me. why not just ask a "hypothetical" question instead because if it is you just incriminated yourself.

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          • #6
            jlchavis0844
            Banned
            • Apr 2009
            • 31

            Originally posted by Baron
            looks legal to me.
            But I'm not a Da or LEO.

            Maybe have your friend look up the regs for shotguns.
            All you need to pay attention to for a pump is
            Barrel needs to be 18" or over and the over all length has to be 26" or over
            standard 20" 500a barrel, so it's good length wise.

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            • #7
              bigthaiboy
              Veteran Member
              • Apr 2007
              • 4795

              If it's a 7+1, as you stated, then it is the Mossberg 500 with a 20" barrel, so it's certainly not a SBS. Mossberg sells that model as the Cruiser with just a pistol grip (I have one), so adding a second pistol grip does not change it's legality. It's perfectly legal to add "evil" features to a pump action.

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              • #8
                jlchavis0844
                Banned
                • Apr 2009
                • 31

                Originally posted by f4iguy
                If there was any question to legality why post a picture? Doesn't make a lot of since to me. why not just ask a "hypothetical" question instead because if it is you just incriminated yourself.
                My mossberg is unmodified. This one belongs to a friend of a friends cousin's dog's owner. That sort of thing. Besides, the point of the post is obviously it's not illegal.

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                • #9
                  Davidoff
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2006
                  • 773

                  As long as Mossberg didn't use any pork or seafood products in the manufacture of the shotgun, you should be OK to eat it. I don't think it has rabbinical supervision, but steel, aluminum and plastic shouldn't violate your dietary restrictions.
                  He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression.
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                  • #10
                    freonr22
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 12945

                    i belive, someone correct me if im wrong, but the pistol grip is fine on a PUMP shotgun, but not a semiauto
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                    • #11
                      sacgsxr
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 61

                      Originally posted by freonr22
                      i belive, someone correct me if im wrong, but the pistol grip is fine on a PUMP shotgun, but not a semiauto
                      correct.

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                      • #12
                        Baron
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 797

                        Originally posted by freonr22
                        i belive, someone correct me if im wrong, but the pistol grip is fine on a PUMP shotgun, but not a semiauto
                        Pistol grip is fine on a semi auto too... You just can not have any other evilness on it

                        A semi auto can have ONLY one:
                        pistol grip
                        colapsable stock
                        Folding stock
                        vertical foregrip

                        Just don't use more then one evil feature... That's why the M4 is a Cali No-No without pinning the stock
                        Just don't have a semi with detachable magazine, you'll have to use a mag lock. and be sure it meets the OAL of 26"

                        the only thing a pump cannot have is a revolving cylinder like the Street Sweeter or Striker shotguns
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                        • #13
                          Gator Monroe
                          Banned
                          • Oct 2007
                          • 6422

                          Let a Rabbi take it to the range and put a box through it and he will bless it ant it will be Kosher !

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                          • #14
                            ke6guj
                            Moderator
                            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                            • Nov 2003
                            • 23725

                            Shotgun Legality Flowchart.
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                            Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                            No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                            • #15
                              QuarterBoreGunner
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                              • Oct 2005
                              • 9389

                              As long as Mossberg didn't use any pork or seafood products in the manufacture of the shotgun, you should be OK to eat it. I don't think it has rabbinical supervision, but steel, aluminum and plastic shouldn't violate your dietary restrictions.
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