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  • IsaacMc
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
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    • Aug 2018
    • 480

    .410 upper conversion ar15

    Pretty cool, I ordered one to see how it rolls.
    Sign on the dotted line....
  • #2
    Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30242

    Originally posted by IsaacMc
    Pretty cool, I ordered one to see how it rolls.
    https://karrisguns.com/charles-daly-...uge-19-barrel-
    Keep in mind that CA assault weapons laws for shotguns is different than those for rifles.
    There may be some similarities, but they are different.

    So, when you assemble it, make sure it has a fixed magazine and if it has a pistol grip or any type of vertical grip, that it also has a fixed shoulder stock.


    You may also have to special order the 12Gauge 2.5" ammo for it.
    ^"Overall cartrige length must be 2.29inches or less for proper function."
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    • #3
      IsaacMc
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      • Aug 2018
      • 480

      yup Hellfighter and fixed stock was my plan. Thanks for the feedback
      Sign on the dotted line....

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      • #4
        crazy
        Senior Member
        • May 2009
        • 1120

        Originally posted by Quiet
        Keep in mind that CA assault weapons laws for shotguns is different than those for rifles.
        There may be some similarities, but they are different.

        So, when you assemble it, make sure it has a fixed magazine and if it has a pistol grip or any type of vertical grip, that it also has a fixed shoulder stock.


        You may also have to special order the 12Gauge 2.5" ammo for it.
        ^"Overall cartrige length must be 2.29inches or less for proper function."

        .410 or 12 ga?
        .
        Things I have for sale.

        https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1646789

        https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1645958

        https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1645863

        Legal disclaimer: Opinions are like buttholes. Everyone has one, including me.

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        • #5
          Don the savage
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 2094

          How does it feed? Ar mag? Lot of questions on how this thing works. But it looks fun.
          I support peace through superior firepower.
          "Para ser libre, un hombre debe tener tres cosas, la tierra, una educacion y un fusil. Siempre un fusil ! (To be free, a man must have three things; land, an education and a rifle. Always a rifle)" -Emiliano Zapata.

          Originally posted by rsrocket1
          Of course they are in free territory where they can pick up ammunition at the local 5 and dime without going through a criminal background check. All we get is legalized pot.

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          • #6
            Jimvh2
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • Jan 2013
            • 681

            Tagged for a range report.

            Cool find!
            "No Good Deed Goes Unpunished"

            NRA life member since 1997
            CRPA member

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            • #7
              IsaacMc
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              • Aug 2018
              • 480

              Once I get it y’all I will post
              Sign on the dotted line....

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              • #8
                Quiet
                retired Goon
                • Mar 2007
                • 30242

                Originally posted by crazy
                .410 or 12 ga?
                My mistake...
                The upper is .410, when I said 12Gauge.
                The manufacturer was making a .410 upper for AR15 pattern receiver and a 12Gauge upper for AR10 pattern receiver.
                The OP's post is about the .410 upper.
                Last edited by Quiet; 07-27-2019, 6:58 AM.
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                • #9
                  Kokanee
                  Banned
                  • Jan 2016
                  • 374

                  I looked at those a month or so ago.
                  Just about signed up for one.
                  But I thought about the cost of a box of .410.
                  Ehh, I have enough other toys to play with.
                  It would never get used.

                  It is cool though, just for being different.

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                  • #10
                    Dvrjon
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                    • Nov 2012
                    • 11337

                    Originally posted by Don the savage
                    How does it feed? Ar mag? Lot of questions on how this thing works. But it looks fun.
                    AR 410 Upper 5 Round Magazine

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                    • #11
                      k1dude
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • May 2009
                      • 14745

                      Originally posted by Quiet
                      Keep in mind that CA assault weapons laws for shotguns is different than those for rifles.
                      There may be some similarities, but they are different.

                      So, when you assemble it, make sure it has a fixed magazine and if it has a pistol grip or any type of vertical grip, that it also has a fixed shoulder stock.
                      What if you only use it as a slug rifle for deer and pig?
                      "Show me a young conservative and I'll show you a man without a heart. Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain." - Sir Winston Churchill

                      "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue!" - Senator Barry Goldwater

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                      • #12
                        PoorRichRichard
                        Veteran Member
                        • Apr 2012
                        • 3234

                        Tag. Very interested as reload .410. Looking forward to a range report. Wonder if 10 round mags are available???
                        1A - 2A = -1A
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                        Some liberals are evil people out to control others. (Hillary, Pelosi, et.al.)
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                        • #13
                          PoorRichRichard
                          Veteran Member
                          • Apr 2012
                          • 3234

                          Anybody know of a similarly priced upper that can handle 3” .410 shells?
                          1A - 2A = -1A
                          Originally posted by Wherryj
                          If I had a nickel for every gender that exists...
                          ...I'd have $0.10.
                          Conservatives think liberals are people with bad ideas. Liberals think conservatives are bad people.
                          --- Dan Bongino
                          Originally posted by EM2
                          Some liberals are evil people out to control others. (Hillary, Pelosi, et.al.)
                          Many liberals are lemmings and will follow whomever espouses what they 'feel'.

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                          • #14
                            Quiet
                            retired Goon
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 30242

                            Originally posted by k1dude
                            What if you only use it as a slug rifle for deer and pig?
                            There are no hunting exemptions to CA assault weapons laws.

                            Semi-auto shotgun that does not have a fixed magazine = assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(7)]

                            Semi-auto shotgun with folding/collapsing stock and a pistol grip or any type of vertical grip = assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(6)]


                            Theoretically...
                            A semi-auto shotgun that does not have a fixed magazine and has a rifled barrel and has no restricted features would result in an arrest for violating CA assault weapons laws and, depending on how good your lawyer is, may result in no convictions.

                            LEOs would make a good faith arrest for assault weapon violations and confiscate the firearm as evidence. Then the lab techs/firearms experts would then need to examine/testify that the firearm does not meet the CA definition of "shotgun". Then your lawyer will need to convice the DA's Office or a trial jury, that since your shotgun does not meet the legal definition of a "shotgun", the CA assault weapons laws for rifles would apply instead of the CA assault weapons laws for shotguns and your shotgun as configured would not be considered an assault weapon under the laws for rifles. All this while you are out on bail or waiting in jail and you spending $$$$$ in legal fees.
                            Last edited by Quiet; 07-27-2019, 12:15 PM.
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                            • #15
                              AlienHobo
                              Senior Member
                              • Mar 2016
                              • 695

                              Originally posted by Quiet
                              Theoretically...
                              A semi-auto shotgun that does not have a fixed magazine and has a rifled barrel and has no restricted features would result in an arrest for violating CA assault weapons laws and, depending on how good your lawyer is, may result in no convictions.
                              I believe having a rifled barrel makes it a rifle, not a shotgun. That is why the Circuit Judge is legal in CA, even though it has a "revolving cylinder."

                              Edit: I see, you are saying LEO "could" arrest you, "theoretically," if they felt like being jerks?
                              Last edited by AlienHobo; 07-27-2019, 12:23 PM.

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