Rock Island VR80

[FlyingShooter]

Just put a deposit down on one of these at Turdner’s, on sale for $649.

Comes with a fixed mag setup. Anyone know if we can change to a regular pistol grip and collapsable stock, with it being fixed mag? How about featureless? Or are the rules different from AR’s being a shotgun?

Thanks

https://armscor.com/firearms/ria-imports/shotgun-series/shotguns-mag-fed-series/vr80/

[Scratch705]

so how do you reload?

it functions like a break open ar15?

[FlyingShooter]

so how do you reload?

it functions like a break open ar15?

[Scratch705]

hmmm..... i wonder how easy it will be to convert back to regular mag release and go featureless on it. just block out the hole with a plate of kydex or change out the stock and grip since it uses ar15 buttstock and grip per video reviews i found online of this.

[FlyingShooter]

That’s all stuff i’m wondering too. I am very familiar with the ar15 rules for fixed mag & featureless, just not sure if any of that differs when it comes to shotgun rules?

Yeah I think you could block it like you said, or probably even drill it out. I am hoping it can even be removed with a simple hex key with the action open. All in all didn’t look too bad to remove if one needed/wanted too.

[shotcaller6]

Make it featureless?

I see others have the same idea...

[Cuda440]

No such thing as featureless shotguns. According to the shotgun flowchart, any semi automatic with a detachable magazine violates pc 12276.1a

https://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

[FlyingShooter]

No such thing as featureless shotguns. According to the shotgun flowchart, any semi automatic with a detachable magazine violates pc 12276.1a

https://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

[vintagedude88]

No such thing as featureless shotguns. According to the shotgun flowchart, any semi automatic with a detachable magazine violates pc 12276.1a

https://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

Exactly! Beat me to it.
Went to my local Turners to check it out. Clerk says none are available for display but they have them at the warehouse.

[Cuda440]

fixed stock and pistol grip or thumbhole is ok. As soon as its a telescoping or folding stock you cant have a pistol grip any more.

[ugimports]

Exactly! Beat me to it.
Went to my local Turners to check it out. Clerk says none are available for display but they have them at the warehouse.

Wow they got them quick. Last notice I saw from a distributor a couple days ago was that the shotguns were still on the water..

[vintagedude88]

No such thing as featureless shotguns. According to the shotgun flowchart, any semi automatic with a detachable magazine violates pc 12276.1a

https://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

When I had a Saiga, I was able to have a PG but not an adjustable stock. The laws for semi auto shotguns is not the same as for semi auto rifles. If in doubt, check the flow chart.

[FlyingShooter]

Exactly! Beat me to it.
Went to my local Turners to check it out. Clerk says none are available for display but they have them at the warehouse.

Where you at? San Bernardino store has 1 on display, and are selling ones from out of the warehouse so they can keep it out to fondle..

[FlyingShooter]

fixed stock and pistol grip or thumbhole is ok. As soon as its a telescoping or folding stock you cant have a pistol grip any more.

Thanks for all the dialogue. And so I assume even a Sparrow dynamics grip that’s angled back would be considered a pistol grip on it then?

I guess the only thing it sounds like you could do is put fixed stock and pistol grip, to at least get rid of the triangular attachment behind the grip. Which is cool, because I want to make it an FDE build. I think seems fine if I am understanding it all correctly?

[Quiet]

As others mentioned, CA assault weapons laws for shotguns is different than those for rifles.
What may be CA legal for rifles, may not be CA legal for shotguns and vice versa.

For semi-auto shotguns...
Not having a fixed magazine is a prohibited feature. [PC 30515(a)(7)]
Having a folding/collapsing stock and a pistol grip or vertical grip or thumbhole stock is a prohibited feature. [PC 30515(a)(6)]
Utilzing a revolving cylinder is a prohibited feature. [PC 30515(a)(8)]

Which means in order to remain CA legal, the semi-auto shotgun...
1. Can not operate using a revolving cylinder.
2. Must always utilize a fixed magazine.
3A. Can have a pistol grip and a fixed shoulder stock.
3B. Can have a pistol grip and a vertical grip.
3C. Can have a vertical grip and a thumbhole stock.
3D. Can have a folding/collapsing and no grips.



Penal Code 30515
(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.