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  • DonaldBabbett
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    • Aug 2014
    • 828

    My Remington 870 Express Feeding Woes

    I recently bought a used Remington 870 Express Synthetic home-defender pump locally. A local gunsmith had checked it out for safe-firing condition when I had brought it in a little over a week ago and I test fired the gun on the range happily with no malfunctions to report.

    However, at home I have been practicing loading and unloading shells (with muzzle in safe direction of course) and I have noticed something that disturbs me. Sometimes when I press the shells with my finger far into the mag tube to load, there is a sudden loss of magazine spring tension as if the shells, follower or spring are binding up inside the tube. I would press a shell up into the tube and the lead shell would slide up and down loose in the tube indicating a loss of magazine spring pressure. I would have to poke the shell back up the tube a few times to finally jar the spring loose to restore normal spring/follower pressure thus seating the shell's rim firmly against the shell latch again.

    I cleaned the mag tube out and noticed some brown rust on the patches. I put a light coat or oil on the tube interior walls, spring and follower. The shells seem to feed more smoothly (the mag spring had been squeaking loudly during loading before) but the spring will still occasionally get hung up in the tube during loading/unloading training exercises. Racking repeatedly the slide to unload the magazine never indicates a feeding malfunction, however. There was one time when I racked the slide too slowly and gently and that caused a shell to hang up in the ejection port. Racking firmly and swiftly to empty shells from the gun never results in a feeding problem even with the questionable magazine spring.

    I have owned a Mossberg 500 and 590 in the past and have found them much more reliable and easy to load, unload and cycle rounds. I am discovering the Remington 870 action can be slightly temperamental and tricky in regards to shell-handling though the gun never jammed during my one test fire.

    My theory is that the spring could be the wrong model as it looks awfully long when decompressed.

    Could the rims of shells, the follower or the spring even get hung up in the inside seam of the magazine extension where it screws on the main magazine tube? The spring seems to bind when there are five or more shells inserted into the tube. The magazine holds up to six 2 3/4" shells which I use.

    Perhaps, a gunsmith should inspect the magazine and do a shell-feed reliability test as well?

    I wish I had some dummy training rounds to practice shell-handling skills and feed-reliability testing for my gun as well.

    I fear that a binding mag spring could make the difference between life and death in a critical defense situation and that troubles me. I am afraid to use too much oil in the magazine as that may foul the ammunition causing possible misfires.
    Last edited by DonaldBabbett; 09-20-2017, 3:23 PM.
  • #2
    SkyHawk
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Sep 2012
    • 23436

    Was this a used gun? What type of follower does it have - the stock bright orange plastic one, or?

    And pics of the tube extension would be nice so we can see what type/brand it is. Some of the 870s had dimples in the tubes that have to be removed for a tube extension, and if not done correctly I could see it causing problems for sure.
    Last edited by SkyHawk; 09-20-2017, 3:32 PM.
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    • #3
      Carcassonne
      Veteran Member
      • Jul 2012
      • 4897

      Do you have the 2-piece factory magazine extension?

      It might not be installed correctly.

      AIPPI wrote something up a while ago, but I couldn't find it.



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      • #4
        Carcassonne
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        • Jul 2012
        • 4897

        found it




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        Be sure to ask your doctor if depression, rectal bleeding, and suicide are right for you.

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        • #5
          DonaldBabbett
          Banned
          • Aug 2014
          • 828

          Apparently NOT installed correctly!

          I removed the extension with the magazine coupler ring ATTACHED to it as a single unit and put it right back on the same way.

          I did not even know these were two separate parts!

          I have to get to know these Remington shotguns MUCH better as this is my first-ever 870 pump.

          The guy who sold me the gun did not even have a manual for it. I wrote to Remington for asking them how to obtain a replacement manual and I am still waiting for a reply.

          Unlike my previous two Mossys, the shell elevator in this Big Green Giant of Ilion, New York is a lousy design too. It stays down in the way while you are trying to push in shells. Unloading this is rather awkward too.
          I have to slowly and methodically load and unload this gun so as not to pinch thumbs and fingers.

          The edges around the receiver bottom/loading gate are rough and somewhat sharp too cutting fingers. Mossberg 500/590 are so much smoother for loading and unloading.

          This is a home-defense Remmy that won't likely need to be reloaded in a hurry in an emergency, thankfully.
          When used for hunting, this gun can be loaded slowly and carefully as well.

          I keep six shells in the mag for home security. Empty chamber for safety sake with action in battery. Safety on, red showing.



          UPDATE!

          Magazine extension tube reinstalled per video: I can't make the spring hang up no matter how hard and long I try by pressing shells up in the tube and releasing them toward the shell latch as slowly as a clock's minute hand moves!!

          Thanks, Mr. Carcassonne! You just saved my life from a would-be intruder who would kill me if my shotgun were to hang up during a battle!!
          Last edited by DonaldBabbett; 09-20-2017, 6:50 PM.

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          • #6
            DonaldBabbett
            Banned
            • Aug 2014
            • 828

            Originally posted by Carcassonne
            Do you have the 2-piece factory magazine extension?

            It might not be installed correctly.

            AIPPI wrote something up a while ago, but I couldn't find it.



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            Yes, the mag extension is stock. Says so on the original box that came with the gun.

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            • #7
              RandyD
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2009
              • 6673

              Magazine springs wear out and they are not expensive to replace. Also, I have had problems with the plastic followers on Rem. 870s, and prefer replacing the plastic with a metal follower. I would keep the magazine tube dry, no oil or lubricants.
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                jeffrice6
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                • Jan 2006
                • 5150

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                • #9
                  Mayor McRifle
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Dec 2013
                  • 7653

                  Originally posted by DonaldBabbett
                  The guy who sold me the gun did not even have a manual for it. I wrote to Remington for asking them how to obtain a replacement manual and I am still waiting for a reply.
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                  • #10
                    DonaldBabbett
                    Banned
                    • Aug 2014
                    • 828

                    Originally posted by CJ5&G23
                    If your 870 originally came without the extension (some did), it would have had a dimple in the feed tube that was part of the endcap assembly. People (like me), would often add the factory extension - but if the dimple was not fully removed can cause the spring to hang up during load. Pressure against the spring builds up, then may suddenly release letting the spring compress into the extension and giving your hand a sudden "lighter" feed feeling.
                    Dimple no issue. My 870 came with a STOCK (factory) extension right from Ilion, NY. No dimple. No worry.

                    My pump gun is a tactical police model with 20" stock barrel. Mag tube holds six 2 3/4" shells; maybe only five 3" shells.

                    The issue was not installing the two-piece extension in a methodical step-by-step sequence. This Remmy gun is fussy
                    about how the mag parts go back together.

                    Therefore, changing Remmy barrels in the field as in bird hunting will require my gunsmithing toolbox
                    in the back of the truck. Or at least the correct-size screwdriver in my vest. The Remmy has a magazine swivel
                    clamp after all. My screw for such mag extension retaining device is a slotted and not Philips as in some.

                    Not a screw-n-plop simple barrel-swap ordeal as in Mossy.
                    Last edited by DonaldBabbett; 09-20-2017, 8:57 PM.

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                    • #11
                      SkyHawk
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Sep 2012
                      • 23436

                      So you have resolved the problem with a proper re-assemble job?
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                      • #12
                        DonaldBabbett
                        Banned
                        • Aug 2014
                        • 828

                        Originally posted by SkyHawk
                        So you have resolved the problem with a proper re-assemble job?
                        In two words, "Yes, indeed."

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                        • #13
                          SkyHawk
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                          • Sep 2012
                          • 23436

                          Originally posted by DonaldBabbett
                          In two words, "Yes, indeed."
                          Awesome!
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