Vepr 12: removing gas piston

[oxzilla]

Hello everybody. I'm thinking about selling my vepr 12. From my reading it seems like shotguns also fall under the assault weapons ban. So what are my options to sell it in the state? Are there bullet buttons I can install that would be compliant?

Or should I just remove the piston? And if so anyone have any tips or advice or videos on how to do that for a novice?

Thanks

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[jd428jd]

I think you might have to make the magazine permanently fixed. Not 100%, was wondering myself.


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[oxzilla]

I think you might have to make the magazine permanently fixed. Not 100%, was wondering myself.


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Yeah I thought I heard that as well and some of my reading but there's no clear opinion. It seems every Forum, thread, and FFL has a different opinion of it.

Might be easier to make the magazine fixed they remove the Piston but I have no idea where to start on either thought I'd get some opinions from everyone in here

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[flatbedtruckin]

To my understanding, by removing the piston, the shotgun is no longer a semi auto and is now a straight pull/manual action... Quiet might chime in and has a wealth of knowledge on laws and regs reguarding this matter...
manual action should be ok with a mag lock but further guidance should be shough out...

[oxzilla]

Wow this is all FUBAR

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[Quiet]

To my understanding, by removing the piston, the shotgun is no longer a semi auto and is now a straight pull/manual action... Quiet might chime in and has a wealth of knowledge on laws and regs reguarding this matter...
manual action should be ok with a mag lock but further guidance should be shough out...

AFAIK and per CGF lawyers...
Removing the gas piston is not enough and will be considered a "broken" semi-auto.
In addition to removing the gas piston, the gas port/block needs to be plugged.
If both those actions are taken, then it will no longer be considered semi-auto.

Once it is no longer considered a semi-auto, it will be considered a straight pull bolt-action.
As a bolt-action shotgun, the firearm can legally accept detachable magazines ("bullet button" magazine lock or standard magazine release) and have a pistol grip with a folding stock (overall length needs to be 26" or greater).

[oxzilla]

AFAIK and per CGF lawyers...
Removing the gas piston is not enough and will be considered a "broken" semi-auto.
In addition to removing the gas piston, the gas port/block needs to be plugged.
If both those actions are taken, then it will no longer be considered semi-auto.

Once it is no longer considered a semi-auto, it will be considered a straight pull bolt-action.
As a bolt-action shotgun, the firearm can legally accept detachable magazines ("bullet button" magazine lock or standard magazine release) and have a pistol grip with a folding stock (overall length needs to be 26" or greater).

Wow, thanks. That helps. Guess I'll just keep her rather than neuter her. Seems making it featureless may be the way to go, which would just require me installing a bullet button of some sort and grip wrap correct? This is all so confusing for the average owner!

What bullet button are you all using on this shotgun?



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[Quiet]

Wow, thanks. That helps. Guess I'll just keep her rather than neuter her. Seems making it featureless may be the way to go, which would just require me installing a bullet button of some sort and grip wrap correct? This is all so confusing for the average owner!

What bullet button are you all using on this shotgun?

A restricted feature on semi-auto shotguns is the ability to accept detachable magazines. [PC 30515(a)(7)]

Which means, it can't be made "featureless".
^A grip wrap does nothing to change the legality of a semi-auto shotgun.

If it is semi-auto, then it needs to operate using a fixed magazine that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or is permanently attached (welded/epoxied/riveted) to the firearm's magazine well.

The CA DOJ BOF assault weapons regulations, introduced on 05-2017, makes semi-auto shotguns with "bullet button" magazine locks to be assault weapons.

Therefore...

If you want to legally retain ownership of it...
A semi-auto shotgun with a "bullet button" magazine lock needs to be registered as an assault weapon before 01-01-2018 or needs to be made into a semi-auto shotgun with a fixed magazine or needs to be made into a manually operated shotgun or needs to be disassembled into parts.

If you want to legally sell in in CA...
It needs to be made into a semi-auto shotgun with a fixed magazine or needs to be made into a manually operate shotgun or needs to be disassembled into parts.

[oxzilla]

A restricted feature on semi-auto shotguns is the ability to accept detachable magazines. [PC 30515(a)(7)]

Which means, it can't be made "featureless".
^A grip wrap does nothing to change the legality of a semi-auto shotgun.

If it is semi-auto, then it needs to operate using a fixed magazine that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or is permanently attached (welded/epoxied/riveted) to the firearm's magazine well.

The CA DOJ BOF assault weapons regulations, introduced on 05-2017, makes semi-auto shotguns with "bullet button" magazine locks to be assault weapons.

Therefore...

If you want to legally retain ownership of it...
A semi-auto shotgun with a "bullet button" magazine lock needs to be registered as an assault weapon before 01-01-2018 or needs to be made into a semi-auto shotgun with a fixed magazine or needs to be made into a manually operated shotgun or needs to be disassembled into parts.

If you want to legally sell in in CA...
It needs to be made into a semi-auto shotgun with a fixed magazine or needs to be made into a manually operate shotgun or needs to be disassembled into parts.

Thanks, that helps. Any installable mag fixation devices you all are using on this shotgun? Like the Patriot mag release for ar?

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[oxzilla]

... I see people transferring rifle uppers only and leaving the rest for the buyer to make compliant. We can do the same for these shotguns right? That is, sell just the receiver and give the rest to the buyer to make compliant?

Thanks for all you help guys. This is quite a confusing time

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