DP12 SHOTGUN LEO ONLY

[dvs762]

so. DOJ and I had a talk today about the DP12 shotgun. Their view is it is a high capacity magazine shotgun and is LEO sale only. KelTec's double feed seems ok as it has a tube lever to change mag tubes, the DP12 doesnt. Now I dont know what this may mean to current owners of these guns..they said they arent an assault weapon but the magazine capacity makes them a LEO only shotgun. Not sure if they will post a bulletin or any type of public comment to FFL's. Just a fyi if you own one. I know some people will say yeah..whatever..Im just relaying what I was told..Ill post this in the FFL forum as well.

[Quiet]

This issue was in the CA DOJ BOF "emergency" regulations pertaining to the changes in CA large capacity magazine laws that go into affect on 07-01-2017.
Those "emergency" regulations were pulled, but CA DOJ BOF still intends to resubmit before 07-01-2017.

In the "emergency" regulations, the Standard Manufacturing DP-12 and UTAS UTS-15 were used as examples of firearms' containing large capacity magazines and the Kel-Tec KSG and SRM Arms SRM-1216 were used as examples of firearms' that did not contain large capacity magazines.

[dvs762]

this is nothing to do with that. They have a shotgun magazine limit of what seems to be 12 rounds..they said the 14 of the Dp12 made it a high capacity shotgun with no selector lever for the mag tube..they read the law and thats what I was told. LEO sale only..I had a customer trying to sell one and he said all the gun shops wouldnt PPT it for him..so called me and I asked my field rep..

[Quiet]

CA DOJ BOF is holding the position that if multiple internal magazines on a firearm can feed that firearm at the same time, then it is considered one ammunition feeding device. If the combined capacity is 11+ rounds, then it is a large capacity magazine.

Large capacity magazines can only be transferred to exempt persons.


Following CA DOJ BOF position...

The Standard Manufacturing DP-12 has two 7 round tubular fixed magazines.
Because the firearm feeds from both ammunition feeding devices at the same time, it is considered one ammunition feeding device with a capacity of 14 rounds. This makes it a large capacity magazine.

If the capacity of both tubular magazines is permanently altered to 5 rounds, then then combined capacity will be 10 rounds. This will cause the ammunition feeding device to no longer be considered a large capacity magazine.

Therefore...
In order to legally transfer the Standard Manufacturing DP-12 to a non-exempt person, the ammunition capacity needs to be permanently altered to 10 rounds.
Prior to 07-01-2017, non-exempt persons that currently own the Standard Manufacturing DP-12 will need to permanently alter the ammunition capacity to 10 rounds. Otherwise, they run the risk of having the it confiscated due to the large capacity magazine.

[dvs762]

yep..pretty much what we discussed yesterday..I just know that there isnt anything really posted anywhere and Im sure some dealers are selling them..just dont want people to get in trouble for buying a gun in good faith then finding out they may get in trouble..I even asked them to at least drop a FFL bulletin so we have something official..

[stitchnicklas]

CA DOJ BOF is holding the position that if multiple internal magazines on a firearm can feed that firearm at the same time, then it is considered one ammunition feeding device. If the combined capacity is 11+ rounds, then it is a large capacity magazine.

Large capacity magazines can only be transferred to exempt persons.


Following CA DOJ BOF position...

The Standard Manufacturing DP-12 has two 7 round tubular fixed magazines.
Because the firearm feeds from both ammunition feeding devices at the same time, it is considered one ammunition feeding device with a capacity of 14 rounds. This makes it a large capacity magazine.

If the capacity of both tubular magazines is permanently altered to 5 rounds, then then combined capacity will be 10 rounds. This will cause the ammunition feeding device to no longer be considered a large capacity magazine.

Therefore...
In order to legally transfer the Standard Manufacturing DP-12 to a non-exempt person, the ammunition capacity needs to be permanently altered to 10 rounds.
Prior to 07-01-2017, non-exempt persons that currently own the Standard Manufacturing DP-12 will need to permanently alter the ammunition capacity to 10 rounds. Otherwise, they run the risk of having the it confiscated due to the large capacity magazine.

Find it hard to believe they can just confiscate a 1400 gun they declared legal previously.
Not a magazine so not applicable like a 12rd block mag.
They would have allow. A registration of sorts or be sued. ...

[champu]

this is nothing to do with that.

This is everything to do with that. The opinion you got from the DoJ is exactly what they wrote in the emergency regulations that were withdrawn. If you want written guidance on the issue you will have to wait for new regulations to be submitted on the matter.

Side note... I noticed that PC 32406(f) wasn't amended by prop 63 but it, unfortunately, has the date cutoff in there that was before the DP-12 was introduced.

A person lawfully in possession of a firearm that the person obtained prior to January 1, 2000, if no magazine that holds 10 or fewer rounds of ammunition is compatible with that firearm and the person possesses the large-capacity magazine solely for use with that firearm.

[crufflers]

There was a local shop here selling them for quite a while. When I asked my LGS to give me a quote they said the same thing - no go. Since there were probably quite a few shops moving these, there are a bunch of people in the same position owning these here I imagine.

[mitch1]

What happens when you use the aguila mini shells in a Mossberg/Remington /whatever shotgun that has normal capacity of 8?
My Mossberg will hold 14 mini shells

[Franklincollector]

What happens when you use the aguila mini shells in a Mossberg/Remington /whatever shotgun that has normal capacity of 8?
My Mossberg will hold 14 mini shells

You win the fight, that's what happens.

[3rdiguy]

They are selling a CA Compliant DP-12 now on Standard's site

[Bangzoom]

What happens when you use the aguila mini shells in a Mossberg/Remington /whatever shotgun that has normal capacity of 8?
My Mossberg will hold 14 mini shells

would also like to know

They are selling a CA Compliant DP-12 now on Standard's site

I know a shop that sells them in the exact config as a free state

[SkyHawk]

In their withdrawn regs, IIRC they gave an example of the DP12 being made compliant with a rivet through the side of each mag tube that limited the rounds to 5 per tube.

But yeah, we have been talking about the DP12 issue for almost a year, and during that time the DOJ drumbeat has gotten louder. This story went from rumor/innuendo that only some FFLs were hearing, to a real thing when DOJ proposed those regs and called out the DP12.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1251651

[Bangzoom]

In their withdrawn regs, IIRC they gave an example of the DP12 being made compliant with a rivet through the side of each mag tube that limited the rounds to 5 per tube.

But yeah, we have been talking about the DP12 issue for almost a year, and during that time the DOJ drumbeat has gotten louder. This story went from rumor/innuendo that only some FFLs were hearing, to a real thing when DOJ proposed those regs and called out the DP12.

https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1251651

Turners sells it with wooden dowels in the tube

[Junkie]

I sure wouldn't expect dowels to qualify as permanent.