Citori 725

[JS41989]

I posted in here a couple months ago looking for insight when I was in search of my first over under. Just thought I'd let everyone know I picked up my 20 gauge field model last night and finally got her out to the range today. She shoots like a dream and can't wait to take her on my first pheasant hunt. Thanks for the help everyone!

[Gringo Bandito]

Congrats on the purchase! You can't go wrong with a 725..Great guns.

[ysr_racer]

Agreed, great gun.

[wweigle]

I bet its a Dandy. I shot a friends 20 gauge Citori last year. I have a 12. A 20 is just such a nice handling gun. If I were to do it again, I think I would likely buy a 20. Your set!

[JS41989]

Virtually no recoil. I was worried with it being a lighter gun I'd have issues with that and shooting trap. Put 60 rounds through it and it was a breeze.

[XVIga_Rob]

Sounds like it fits you well!

[sandiego67]

Probably because it fits and you're shouldering it correctly.

People make too big a deal out of shotgun recoil. Shot shells are low pressure rounds with straight cases. They just don't generate that much pressure. If you are shooting correctly you should be able to shoot hundreds of rounds a day - target rounds anyway.

Nice gun by the way. My newest Citori is a 325 and it is still tight as a drum after 25 years. Get some good gun grease and clean and re-lube after every shoot. Easier to remember to do it if you have a hard case and break it down each time.

Of course you want to keep it nice for as long as you can but I don't know anyone who cleans and re-lubes after every shoot.

I put 800-1200 rounds through my O/U each month and haven't cleaned it in a year.

[JS41989]

I've always been a clean after every range trip kind of guy. I even clean my glocks every time which people kind of laugh at. Breaking down a gun and cleaning it has always just been therapeutic to me. Except for my revolver........ I hate cleaning my revolver, HA!

[Thefeeder]

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I take down and clean after every use, scrub barrel, wipe clean, relube....always have. Stuff stays nice for decades

[JagerDog]

Probably because it fits and you're shouldering it correctly.

People make too big a deal out of shotgun recoil. Shot shells are low pressure rounds with straight cases. They just don't generate that much pressure. If you are shooting correctly you should be able to shoot hundreds of rounds a day - target rounds anyway.

Nice gun by the way. My newest Citori is a 325 and it is still tight as a drum after 25 years. Get some good gun grease and clean and re-lube after every shoot. Easier to remember to do it if you have a hard case and break it down each time.

You do know pressure isn't a componenet of recoil, correct?

[JagerDog]

I bet its a Dandy. I shot a friends 20 gauge Citori last year. I have a 12. A 20 is just such a nice handling gun. If I were to do it again, I think I would likely buy a 20. Your set!

The 12g Citori's always feel "blocky" to me. The 20g feel just right. I have a straight-stocked 70's era Citori in 20g which is my pheasant gun. However this last year I didn't have a 3" non-tox I really liked yet, so used a 60's era Beretta 12g.

60 rounds isn't really a test for recoil though. The guys who usually get adversly affected are shooting 100's. If 60 is "a lot" for a shooter, gun weight isn't a big factor IMHO. Fit is a bigger component.

[JagerDog]

It affects the velocity at which gases exit the barrel which in turn affects recoil.

Nope. Pressure is NOT a function of recoil.

A 9/8oz 3 dram 12g load will recoil the same as any other 9/8 oz 3 dram 12g load regardless if the pressure is 8kpsi or 11kpsi (sans minute differences in ejecta (powder & wad) weight).

Look at any free recoil calculator and pressure is not a variable.

Or given an identical gun, just look at 1/2 mv^2.

[JS41989]

Guys... The moral of this story is that the 725 is awesome!!!!

[JagerDog]

Recoil calculators are irrelevant to my point, though I don't know why you would expect different pressures from an identical load. (rhetorical question. I don't really care)

My comment did not refer to specific loads. My comment was that shotguns as a class have a softer, different felt recoil than rifles and my opinion that people overestimate (and needlessly fear) shotgun felt recoil. I base this on a lifetime of club shooting including probably a few hundred thousand shotgun rounds expended over about 45 years. I have taught a lot of people to shoot over the years and once they get the fit and mount right, they can shoot all day with no bruises.

I am an educated man, but for things like shooting, hunting, etc., field time has always been far more instructive than computer time, so OP go have fun with your new toy.

Trying not to belabor a point, but a 3 dram load with slow'ish powder will have a significantly lower chamber pressure than a 3 dram load with fast'ish powder, yet the recoil is effectively unchanged.

Physics is physics. Even if one doesn't believe in physics, physics believes in you.

We agree that fit and stance are paramount in "felt" recoil. A lot of "new" shooters slide their hips forward and their shoulders back. Good way to help it hurt. Gun weight comes more into play when one might be shooting 300-500 rounds in a "sitting".

[Ducky's Dad]

Nope. Pressure is NOT a function of recoil.

Well, sorta... I think what you meant is that recoil is not a function of chamber pressure.

A 9/8oz 3 dram 12g load will recoil the same as any other 9/8 oz 3 dram 12g load regardless if the pressure is 8kpsi or 11kpsi (sans minute differences in ejecta (powder & wad) weight).

Not quite, but what we would call directionally correct. True that chamber pressure is irrelevant with regards to recoil (actual or felt). But the missing factor in your statement is velocity. The old "3 Dram Equivalent" does not mean much these days because velocity is all over the place in modern loads. If you had said that a 1200 fps load with 9/8oz shot would generate the same recoil whether chamber pressure was 8K or 11K, that would be correct. One manufacturer's 3 dram load might be 1200fps and another's might be 1250 fps, but both labeled as 3 dram. Physics likes small differences in velocity.