Vepr 12

[gunjunkie]

Can you still buy a vepr 12 without a grip around the pistol grip. I read somewhere that you can, but i feel like you shouldn't be able to

[gixer1k]

There is no featureless on a semi auto shotgun with a detachable magazine. It does not matter if the shotgun has a pistol grip or not. The magazine has to be permanently attached. Whatever that means under the new rules.

You can check the shotgun flowchart: http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

[bootstrap]

We should be able to buy anything we can afford that our tax dollars are used for to equip the modern foot soldier.

AFAIK, the recent RAW BS did not declare semi auto shotguns with detachable mags as statutory AW. The DOJ regs overreached to include them.

The fact that the CA legisature used San Berdoo and Sandy Hook as political cover to infringe on our ownership of SACF rifles makes the DOJ's overreach on shotgums all the more egregious.

[Quiet]

Because of it being a semi-auto shotgun that does not have a "fixed magazine" it's legality is uncertain until CA DOJ regulations get finalized.

Under the regulations that they have been submitted, a semi-auto shotgun with a "bullet button" style maglock would be illegal to import/make/offer to sell/transfer while in CA.

Because of these new unfinalized regulations, the majority of CA FFL dealers are currently unwilling to import/transfer a semi-auto shotgun with a "bullet button" style maglock.
^They are not willing to risk their livelihood (FFL) on transferring a possible assault weapon.
~If you look around, you may still find a few CA FFL dealers that will transfer a semi-auto shotgun with a "bullet button" style maglock.

If it was modified it so that it is no longer semi-auto, then it would be legal to import/transfer in CA.
^This can be done by removing the gas-piston, which will make it into a manually operated (straight pull bolt-action) shotgun
^As a manually operated shotgun it can legally use detachable magazines and have a pistol grip with a folding/extending shoulder stock.



11 CCR 5471
Explanation of Terms Related to Assault Weapons Designation.
For purpose of Penal Code section 30515 and this Chapter the following definitions shall apply:
(a) "Ability to accept a detachable magazine" means with respect to a semiautomatic shotgun, it does not have a fixed magazine.
(pp) "Those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be readily removed for the firearm with the use of a tool" means functional semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns with bullet-button style magazine releases and one or more features defined in Penal Code 30515 and these regulations. These weapons do not have a fixed magazine.

[gunjunkie]

clears things up thanks

[bubbapug1]

The inclusion of shotguns in the regs will be contested in courts. Heck with trump and the new sheriff in town we might even get injunctive relief for the shotgun over reach.

IF....if we do the one gun I'd recommend buying is the vepr 12. It's a real solid tool and will become a classic when people wake up to its true intrinsic value. I'd like to change mine to wood....any ideas on suppliers?

[munkeeboi]

The inclusion of shotguns in the regs will be contested in courts. Heck with trump and the new sheriff in town we might even get injunctive relief for the shotgun over reach.

IF....if we do the one gun I'd recommend buying is the vepr 12. It's a real solid tool and will become a classic when people wake up to its true intrinsic value. I'd like to change mine to wood....any ideas on suppliers?

There's this for $200

https://www.legionusa.com/vepr-12-wood-set-russian.html

[ethalienhosh]

If it was modified it so that it is no longer semi-auto, then it would be legal to import/transfer in CA.
^This can be done by removing the gas-piston, which will make it into a manually operated (straight pull bolt-action) shotgun
^As a manually operated shotgun it can legally use detachable magazines and have a pistol grip with a folding/extending shoulder stock.

Out of curiosity, has anyone fired a VEPR/Saiga 12 with the gas piston removed? I am sure there is minimal expelled gas that would be discharged in the direction of the the shooter but initially I would feel hesitant to fire the firearm with a cheekweld in the that configuration. If anyone has done it, I would like to hear about it.

Thanks

[trashguy]

Did they add a fixed magazine clause to shotguns? Last I saw it just can't have a detachable? My Vepr is tired of being in purgatory

[malfunction]

IF....if we do the one gun I'd recommend buying is the vepr 12. It's a real solid tool and will become a classic when people wake up to its true intrinsic value. I'd like to change mine to wood....any ideas on suppliers?

These guys: http://ironwooddesigns.com Looks kind of cool with the cheek rest in wood, but I'm sticking with the evil black finish on mine

[Quiet]

Did they add a fixed magazine clause to shotguns? Last I saw it just can't have a detachable? My Vepr is tired of being in purgatory

It's in the regulations that CA DOJ has proposed and not yet finalized.

It's unknown until it gets finalized.

[geoint]

We should be able to buy anything we can afford that our tax dollars are used for to equip the modern foot soldier.

AFAIK, the recent RAW BS did not declare semi auto shotguns with detachable mags as statutory AW. The DOJ regs overreached to include them.

The fact that the CA legisature used San Berdoo and Sandy Hook as political cover to infringe on our ownership of SACF rifles makes the DOJ's overreach on shotgums all the more egregious.

As a vet who was issued a 30 year old POS rifle when I went to Afghanistan... let me just guarantee you that the private sector has a LOT better options out there and limiting yourself to just what the military has would suck, big time.

The 2A was designed so we would have a fighting chance in the event of a tyrannical government. The gov/mil is going to have tanks, drones, missile defense systems...etc. You (unless you are a billionaire) just get small arms: rifles, pistols, maybe a basic rocket launcher or machine gun if you have a lot of cash.

Given the drastic differences in the amount of power each side can project, you should definitely do what you can to close that gap! With like a mid length gas system as opposed to a boring mil-spec carbine length! That will totally turn the tide

[trashguy]

It's in the regulations that CA DOJ has proposed and not yet finalized.

It's unknown until it gets finalized.

I'm still seeing it as:

"(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine."

Which is what a mag lock fixes. Either way, I guess it's hurry up and wait for the official writing.

[Quiet]

I'm still seeing it as:

"(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine."

Which is what a mag lock fixes. Either way, I guess it's hurry up and wait for the official writing.

What's at issue is this...

11 CCR 5471
Explanation of Terms Related to Assault Weapons Designation.
For purpose of Penal Code section 30515 and this Chapter the following definitions shall apply:
(a) "Ability to accept a detachable magazine" means with respect to a semiautomatic shotgun, it does not have a fixed magazine.
(pp) "Those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be readily removed for the firearm with the use of a tool" means functional semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns with bullet-button style magazine releases and one or more features defined in Penal Code 30515 and these regulations. These weapons do not have a fixed magazine.

[trashguy]

What's at issue is this...

11 CCR 5471
Explanation of Terms Related to Assault Weapons Designation.
For purpose of Penal Code section 30515 and this Chapter the following definitions shall apply:
(a) "Ability to accept a detachable magazine" means with respect to a semiautomatic shotgun, it does not have a fixed magazine.
(pp) "Those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be readily removed for the firearm with the use of a tool" means functional semiautomatic rifles, pistols, and shotguns with bullet-button style magazine releases and one or more features defined in Penal Code 30515 and these regulations. These weapons do not have a fixed magazine.

Thanks for the reply. She's just gonna stay broken down in the safe until it gets cleared up.

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