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  • Steven954
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2016
    • 38

    Anyone Recognize this 20 Gauge, What is it?

    Family heirloom, was my grandfathers. Don't know anything about it. Does anyone have any useful info? What is it worth? Maker? Is it rare?
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    Steven954
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2016
    • 38

    Another Pic

    Sorry for the bad pics, maybe this helps..

    It looks like it says the letter JK on base in handwriting buy cant really tell.
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    • #3
      Mr. Beretta
      Calguns Addict
      • Dec 2005
      • 6614

      Not being a wise guy, but is the shotgun in your possession?

      If so, what is stamped on the barrels, receiver?

      If the shotgun is not in your possession, maybe you could ask the person who has it, to look in those areas and tell you what is stamped there.

      Good Luck.

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      • #4
        JagerDog
        I need a LIFE!!
        • May 2011
        • 14597

        Very ornate piece. Can't be cheap.

        Initials were likely the owner/who it was made for.

        I'd try over on shotgunworld. Lots more "non-tactical" types there.

        And you'll need better pics and they'll likely want to see water table pics, proof marks, etc.

        Appears European. Perhaps even a guild gun.
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        #Blackolivesmatter

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        • #5
          HardwoodRods
          Senior Member
          • Mar 2011
          • 1093

          I think it's a Merkel
          "A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, 1790

          "Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have war, let it begin here" Capt. John Parker, 19 April 1776, Lexington Green

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          • #6
            HardwoodRods
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 1093

            Hard to tell from photos, if it is, north of 10k
            "A free people ought to be armed" George Washington, 1790

            "Don't fire unless fired upon. But if they mean to have war, let it begin here" Capt. John Parker, 19 April 1776, Lexington Green

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            • #7
              parcours
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2008
              • 1441

              We need better close up pics. Take a picture of the tang with the level to the right, Remove the barrels, what's written on the frame and bottom on the barrels. What is stamped on upper portion the barrels? There should be markings with the name of the builder, gauge, where it's made. Proof marks on the receiver and barrels, serial number.

              Gauge?
              Barrel length?
              Is there an engraver name on the receiver?

              Hard to determine if this is as valuable as some might think without the proper identification.

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              • #8
                Steven954
                Junior Member
                • Dec 2016
                • 38

                I like try to take better pics when I have the chance, gun not with me. No markings, I will break down the gun and check the barrels. For sure its a 20 gauge side by side, feels fairly light for a shotgun, has a very cool vintage case as well, will take pic and post. My grandfather liked to Hunt if that helps.

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                • #9
                  parcours
                  Senior Member
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 1441

                  Steven, without some sort of markings a solid identification will be tough. Take pics of as many markings as you can locate. There should be proof marks, makers markings and even possibly a date.

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                  • #10
                    Steven954
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2016
                    • 38

                    Another Pic

                    Maybe this one helps.. Any ideas?
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                    • #11
                      G-Man WC
                      In Memoriam
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 10991

                      That's nice. Maybe your mistaken
                      and gramps left you a cherry Parker
                      or Holand & Holand 458Win mag.
                      That big hole just looks like a shot gun shell fits in it.
                      -g
                      If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.
                      -Samuel Adams

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                      • #12
                        elSquid
                        In Memoriam
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 11844

                        Originally posted by Steven954
                        Maybe this one helps.. Any ideas?
                        German.

                        "JK" just Krieghoff?

                        Just kidding about that last line above...

                        -- Michael

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                        • #13
                          Ducky's Dad
                          Senior Member
                          • Dec 2012
                          • 737

                          Definitely Germanic, but could have been built in a number of countries. "Sicher" in gold inlay under the safety translates to something like "secure" or "safe."

                          No markings? Highly unlikely, even for a guild gun. Proof marks will tell the story, even if there are no other markings. 20guage? Not likely for a continental gun of that apparent vintage. Probably a light 16. Measure the chambers or the bores.

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                          • #14
                            ElvenSoul
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 17431

                            Here is a similar thread from another site.

                            sigpic

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                            • #15
                              ysr_racer
                              Banned
                              • Mar 2006
                              • 12014

                              Originally posted by Steven954
                              Maybe this one helps.. Any ideas?
                              Not in the last, take better pictures.

                              (In that order)

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