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  • #46
    AAShooter
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2010
    • 7188

    Originally posted by bwhited
    I have reloaded but you have to be careful in your calculations of cost. The cost of the equipment and the cost of your time need to be included.
    The more you load the less the equipment costs per round but your time does have a value.
    Your point is well taken. If you approach it as a hobby, than you are not necessarily trying to save money. I get about as much satisfaction out of reloading as I do shooting. Second, assuming your are not passing up work to reload, placing a value on your time is pretty tough. What is missing an hour of evening tv worth?

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    • #47
      bwhited
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2009
      • 1947

      If you just need something to do then the time it takes is a benefit not a cost.

      I like to warm about this.

      Also, I have never seen anyone save money by reloading.
      The more they load the more they shoot.
      Then again shooting more for the same money is not a bad deal.


      Originally posted by AAShooter
      Your point is well taken. If you approach it as a hobby, than you are not necessarily trying to save money. I get about as much satisfaction out of reloading as I do shooting. Second, assuming your are not passing up work to reload, placing a value on your time is pretty tough. What is missing an hour of evening tv worth?
      Last edited by bwhited; 03-08-2016, 4:42 PM.

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      • #48
        ysr_racer
        Banned
        • Mar 2006
        • 12014

        Not to mention the powder, primer, and lead shortages.

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        • #49
          Bill Steele
          Calguns Addict
          • Sep 2010
          • 5028

          I have been retired for quite a while now, long enough that I am pretty much unemployable. As such, I really can't put much value on my time.

          I enjoy reloading in most aspects. If I am after a particular shotgun load that I can't readily buy, I definitely will load it. On the other hand, I find loading run of the mill 12/20ga target loads uninspiring and the $2/box I can usually expect to save (many time less than this) usually isn't enough to motivate me.

          If I was shooting as much clay games as many on this board (something I am always threatening and hopefully one day will make good on), I would definitely reload all my shot shells.
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          • #50
            bwhited
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2009
            • 1947

            Having similar issues. Have been in school and not looking for work. They see a professional gap and do not seem interested. So my time is not worth much either.
            Personally, I never considered my time into the cost but this was do to reloading was a way to make the ammo I wanted. Factory ammo works but is not always what you really want to use.


            Originally posted by Bill Steele
            I have been retired for quite a while now, long enough that I am pretty much unemployable. As such, I really can't put much value on my time.

            I enjoy reloading in most aspects. If I am after a particular shotgun load that I can't readily buy, I definitely will load it. On the other hand, I find loading run of the mill 12/20ga target loads uninspiring and the $2/box I can usually expect to save (many time less than this) usually isn't enough to motivate me.

            If I was shooting as much clay games as many on this board (something I am always threatening and hopefully one day will make good on), I would definitely reload all my shot shells.

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            • #51
              ezb57
              Member
              • Jan 2009
              • 252

              I think you should find your 391 again.
              Aside from some carrier issues a few guns had, I think Beretta got it right with those and the 400 was really just a cheaper-to-produce gun. The recoil spring is certainly easier to get to, but I think the rotary bolt was a solution to a non-existent problem.
              OUs are nice and have their advantages, but some folks just seem to shoot autos better. Autos have their good points too.
              Not all who disagree with wise men are fools

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              • #52
                JagerDog
                I need a LIFE!!
                • May 2011
                • 15328

                Originally posted by AAShooter
                Your point is well taken. If you approach it as a hobby, than you are not necessarily trying to save money. I get about as much satisfaction out of reloading as I do shooting. Second, assuming your are not passing up work to reload, placing a value on your time is pretty tough. What is missing an hour of evening tv worth?
                All the above.

                I fish for a hobby. I figure King Salmon costs me $100+/pound...and that's not even considering my time.

                I wonder what shooting targets costs me if I count guns, ammo, time, range fees, gas, etc.

                That's it...selling everything.

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                Last edited by JagerDog; 03-08-2016, 10:32 PM.
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                • #53
                  bwhited
                  Senior Member
                  • Jun 2009
                  • 1947

                  The cost of time was only being considered in the ammo.
                  This is based on a comparison between purchasing ammo and making it yourself. It had nothing to do with costs involved with the act of shooting.

                  Sorry but my education and experience in business sometimes comes through when it is not really needed.


                  Originally posted by JagerDog
                  All the above.

                  I fish for a hobby. I figure King Salmon costs me $100+/pound...and that's not even considering my time.

                  I wonder what shooting targets costs me if I count guns, ammo, time, range fees, gas, etc.

                  That's it...selling everything.

                  Anyone make it big in knitting?

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                  • #54
                    cudakidd
                    Veteran Member
                    • Apr 2007
                    • 3320

                    I shoot a Perazzi Skeet (have two of them). I reload at about $3.00 per box, 5000 rounds a year. Reloading IS way cheaper if you buy components in bulk when cheap.

                    Buy the shotgun that fits you best. Fit is everything for Shotgun Sports.

                    Autoloaders are fine if you don't mind chasing hulls. O/U are great if you want the 2 choke combos for sporting clays.

                    I have different shotguns for different uses. Why? Because I can!~

                    Browning Grade V citori "hunter" for hunting, Browning Upland model BPS for back up for the same activity. Semi Auto Weatherby for hunting where hulls won't be retrieved.

                    Home defense is a 8 shot Ithaca, etc, etc.
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                    The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
                    The best lack all conviction, while the worst
                    Are full of passionate intensity.

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                    • #55
                      Chubs T
                      Junior Member
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 81

                      Bwhited,
                      Buy an A400xcel, you will not be disappointed, except for the color. Every semi-auto will have it's issues but through five A400's, I haven't seen any. The more you shoot them the better they get. My only advice is not to get the kick-off option unless you don't plan on altering the stock.

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                      • #56
                        bwhited
                        Senior Member
                        • Jun 2009
                        • 1947

                        That is my thinking but any of the Beretta Axxx are a good choice.


                        Originally posted by Chubs T
                        Bwhited,
                        Buy an A400xcel, you will not be disappointed, except for the color. Every semi-auto will have it's issues but through five A400's, I haven't seen any. The more you shoot them the better they get. My only advice is not to get the kick-off option unless you don't plan on altering the stock.

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                        • #57
                          JagerDog
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • May 2011
                          • 15328

                          [QUOTE=bwhited;17811963]The cost of time was only being considered in the ammo.
                          This is based on a comparison between purchasing ammo and making it yourself. It had nothing to do with costs involved with the act of shooting.

                          Sorry but my education and experience in business sometimes comes through when it is not really needed.[/QUOTE]

                          Understood.

                          I wouldn't pass up my wages in order to make ammo. But I would pass up numerous activities which don't pay wages. My reloading is part of my "leisure time". As leisure time, it's one of my cheaper options.
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                          • #58
                            bwhited
                            Senior Member
                            • Jun 2009
                            • 1947

                            It is a fun hobby.


                            [QUOTE=JagerDog;17819115]
                            Originally posted by bwhited
                            The cost of time was only being considered in the ammo.
                            This is based on a comparison between purchasing ammo and making it yourself. It had nothing to do with costs involved with the act of shooting.

                            Sorry but my education and experience in business sometimes comes through when it is not really needed.[/QUOTE]

                            Understood.

                            I wouldn't pass up my wages in order to make ammo. But I would pass up numerous activities which don't pay wages. My reloading is part of my "leisure time". As leisure time, it's one of my cheaper options.

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                            • #59
                              Johneracer
                              Member
                              • Oct 2014
                              • 293

                              I bought new in box beretta 391. This is the most popular auto loading shot gun at the clay range. I have roughly 1000 shots threw it with no issues. Early models had issues with bent carrier but beretta states they fixed the issue. It is a very soft shooting gun and I can shoot 200-250 shots with no issues. Some consider it hard to maintain and clean but I think that's overblown. I have yet to clean mine and it runs like a champ.

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                              • #60
                                Johneracer
                                Member
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 293

                                As far as reloading goes, you do it for quality and because you want to reload. You will not be saving $$, especially when you factor in inital costs. I just bought 10 flats delivered $525. Good quality Remington sporting.

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