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Hi all:
I am part of my local Scout Council and we are applying for a grant to replace our quickly dying Remington 11-87 Youth model shotguns.
1. We need 20 ga. semi-autos that can stand up to abuse and not being cleaned often enough. We do clean them every time we use them but the same shotguns are also used for Summer Camp and Lease Camp where they are used by people who do not clean them or clean them correctly.
2. I am very down on Freedom Group era Remingtons. My AOW Remington 870 was defective right from the factory, we had to fix a lot of little manufacturing defects that never would have occurred on a Classic era Remington 870.
3. What recommendations do you have for a 20 ga. Youth Sized semi auto that can stand up to abuse and be reliable, long term? Personally, I would rather teach the kids using inexpensive break action single shots but the recoil would probably be too distracting, the semi auto does eat up a lot of perceived recoil. Frankly, a good portion of the Scouts I instruct are practically dwarf sized and cannot even hold up a 5lb youth size shotgun so a youth sized single shot 20 ga. would be lighter too, easier for them to heft, easier to clean, easier to maintain. But that recoil issue.
We had a Dad bring his wife's Baikal single shot 20 ga. at our last class. it was a piece of junk. My Brazilian made Kmart single shot 20 ga I bought 35 years ago was ten times better. The Baikal FTF over and over, unless you slapped the action closed just right, I am sure it needed work but it really turned me off of Baikals. Does anyone even make a good, reliable youth sized single shot 20 ga. anymore? I will probably get outvoted and forced to buy semi autos anyway.
Anway, I am rambling. Which 20 ga for Boy Scouts, many of whom are ridiculously small and frankly, weak, barely able to hold up a 5-6lb shotgun? I have a different perspective, at 13, I was six feet tall and weighed 160 so seeing 12 and 13 year olds who look to be under five feet tall and weigh perhaps 80lbs is strange to me. Guess people are shrinking?
I am part of my local Scout Council and we are applying for a grant to replace our quickly dying Remington 11-87 Youth model shotguns.
1. We need 20 ga. semi-autos that can stand up to abuse and not being cleaned often enough. We do clean them every time we use them but the same shotguns are also used for Summer Camp and Lease Camp where they are used by people who do not clean them or clean them correctly.
2. I am very down on Freedom Group era Remingtons. My AOW Remington 870 was defective right from the factory, we had to fix a lot of little manufacturing defects that never would have occurred on a Classic era Remington 870.
3. What recommendations do you have for a 20 ga. Youth Sized semi auto that can stand up to abuse and be reliable, long term? Personally, I would rather teach the kids using inexpensive break action single shots but the recoil would probably be too distracting, the semi auto does eat up a lot of perceived recoil. Frankly, a good portion of the Scouts I instruct are practically dwarf sized and cannot even hold up a 5lb youth size shotgun so a youth sized single shot 20 ga. would be lighter too, easier for them to heft, easier to clean, easier to maintain. But that recoil issue.
We had a Dad bring his wife's Baikal single shot 20 ga. at our last class. it was a piece of junk. My Brazilian made Kmart single shot 20 ga I bought 35 years ago was ten times better. The Baikal FTF over and over, unless you slapped the action closed just right, I am sure it needed work but it really turned me off of Baikals. Does anyone even make a good, reliable youth sized single shot 20 ga. anymore? I will probably get outvoted and forced to buy semi autos anyway.
Anway, I am rambling. Which 20 ga for Boy Scouts, many of whom are ridiculously small and frankly, weak, barely able to hold up a 5-6lb shotgun? I have a different perspective, at 13, I was six feet tall and weighed 160 so seeing 12 and 13 year olds who look to be under five feet tall and weigh perhaps 80lbs is strange to me. Guess people are shrinking?
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