Shotgun Stock Questions

[Lexington-1]

Hi All

I have a friend who has a Saiga-12. He's interested in putting on a stock with a spring in it to reduce the recoil impact. But it is a 5 position telescoping stock. Are these legal in California? My understanding is that they are as long as the total length of the shotgun is 26 inches or more when fully closed, correct?

Also, when measuring the total length, do you start from the front of the flash-hider/Muzzle brake or from the end of the barrel?

If anyone can help me out with the legalities I would appreciate it.

FYI, it was bought in California, so it has the bullet button on it.

Thanks

[Steve_In_29]

The flow chart answers all this.

[Lexington-1]

If found this.

https://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

Is this the right flow chart? And this says it's for semi-auto rifle. Are semi-auto shotguns treated the same as semi-auto rifles?

[Steve_In_29]

Look to the right side of the top of this page and the shotgun one is there.

[Lexington-1]

Hi Steve

I'm not a regular to the forum so I didn't know where to look. Thank you for your help.

I read the chart but I'm still not 100% sure. Please clarify if I understand this right.

On the second page of the Shotgun Flow Charts it says the following.



So if it has more than one of these features it is considered an assault weapon, correct?

Now I did not know this, but from reading the chart it appears that a shotgun can be register as either a long rifle or as an assault rifle. If it was registered as an assault weapon, then a telescoping stock is legal. However, if it was registers as a long rifle, then having a telescoping stock is illegal? Did I understand this correctly?

I'm not sure how it's registered but for argument sake, let say it's registered as a long gun. If he were to put a screw in the stock to prevent it from telescoping, would that make it legal?

[LowThudd]

This is the flowchart to use. http://www.calguns.net/caawid/sgflowchart.pdf

It IS a shotgun, there is no other option in CA. It IS a semi auto, so no folding/collapsible stock with a pistol grip. You can have the folding stock with no pistol grip, but I have never heard of one. You can have the stock pinned, as you can have a pistol grip as long as it is not folding/collapsible. That is all, unless is actually IS a registered assault weapon. Which would have had to been done prior to 2001.

[Lexington-1]

Thank you very much LowThudd. My friend bought the stock online (out of state) because he was just interested in the spring stock to reduce recoil. This one however came as a 5 position collapsing/telescoping stock.

So if he uses a screw to secure it into one position to prevent it from collapsing, would that be considered pinned?

[LowThudd]

Thank you very much LowThudd. My friend bought the stock online (out of state) because he was just interested in the spring stock to reduce recoil. This one however came as a 5 position collapsing/telescoping stock.

So if he uses a screw to secure it into one position to prevent it from collapsing, would that be considered pinned?

To be honest, I am not sure exactly what will qualify as pinned. But my instincts tell me if the screw can be removed easily with a driver then that would not be acceptable. You'll have to do some googling on that subject.

[Lexington-1]

To be honest, I am not sure exactly what will qualify as pinned. But my instincts tell me if the screw can be removed easily with a driver then that would not be acceptable. You'll have to do some googling on that subject.

Thanks LowThudd.

I've already started looking into it. I contacted the NRA and they told me to contact Michel Lawyers http://michellawyers.com/reference-m...aw-references/ But they want $300 just to answer my questions if a screw would qualify as "Pinned". I don't think my friend is willing to pay that much.

The NRA also gave me the California DOJ web site for firearms. https://oag.ca.gov/firearms
I'll check that out and see if I can find something there.

At this point it may be easier if he just took it back to the shop where he bought it at and asked them to pin it.