how about these Speedloader things?

[The Last American Hero]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXsiHHp9rU4

Any reason they couldn't be home made out of some PVC tubing, and load 8 shots instead of 4?

Anybody got some nice clear close ups of the geometry in play?

I kinda sorta had this same idea with my old 870 3.5 Supermag, but it just didn't seem like it was gonna happen, and like I said that was a 3.5" so you might think it would have a good chance of getting 2.75" shells around the turn.

No shotgun in the home at moment. Please don't tell the burglars.

But I read how "angle is critical" etc. I'd want a mating face at the correct 30', and a little "U" to catch on the forward lip of the loading well.

PS-I think the correct term for these things is "clips". My goal is to wow my fellow Mall Ninjas by slam loading 8 shots in a single swoop, and play it off like it was nothing.

[mafbloggerdanny]

i never tried them but i've seen them enough videos to decide that I think they would be too tricky *for me* I think you could indeed fabricate it yourself but the follower piece with the guide rod is pretty complicated, it has to work just right, and it has to not bind up as you are shoving the follower through.

they make these big honking guide ramps to help you make sure you get the angle right every single time but they are not practical for any application except hardcore competition.



I have never seen them marketed before, but in my opinion the ideal 'speed loading' for a shotgun would be a piece of silicone that holds the base and you could just push them through

[Merc1138]

Some closeups, explanation of the components in the loader, modification of the funnel, etc.


Yes, it might be possible to homebrew something, but it's going to take some serious work. Considering that even the 6 round arredondo tubes are only like $60, it doesn't seem worth the trouble. The funnel on the other hand is like $160 something and isn't available for every model(some need adapters and crap).

Like mafbloggerdanny mentioned, impractical outside of competition(assuming the rules even allow them), bulky, heavy, bleh.

Now if you open up the loading port, maybe tweak the lifter and it's spring, you end up with something that's still normal with some technique


Then there's slamming 2 shells at a time into the mag with 4 in your hand...

[The Last American Hero]

Some closeups, explanation of the components in the loader, modification of the funnel, etc.


Yes, it might be possible to homebrew something, but it's going to take some serious work. Considering that even the 6 round arredondo tubes are only like $60, it doesn't seem worth the trouble. The funnel on the other hand is like $160 something and isn't available for every model(some need adapters and crap).

Like mafbloggerdanny mentioned, impractical outside of competition(assuming the rules even allow them), bulky, heavy, bleh.

Now if you open up the loading port, maybe tweak the lifter and it's spring, you end up with something that's still normal with some technique


Then there's slamming 2 shells at a time into the mag with 4 in your hand...

looks like 1st gen CNC stuff.

I'd like to see 3D printable unit that straps on without drilling holes with some big Zip-ties and would accept 'clips' out of cheap white PVC (with a few easy homemade angled cuts, and maybe a printable end attachment).

Seems like with just minor mods a factory gun could use PVC clips. With all the 3-gun madness I'm surprised one the factory Race-Ready shotguns don't have it.

[CK_32]

Still has many downfalls.

I'll take my mag change thank you

[The Last American Hero]

Still has many downfalls.

I'll take my mag change thank you

$60 doesn't sound like much, but if its $60 X maybe 4 or more just for what SHOULD be just $0.16 of PVC and maybe $2 of hardware store springs.....

Four things I really dig about tube mags:

Able to top up mag while still keeping one in chamber and ready to fire.

Able to easily load a diff round while keeping rest of the mag's stack ready.

Not having to do something with the empty mags.

The svelte along-side-the-barrel form-factor.




Maybe I'm invent a Hybrid replaceable tube mag.

Be like typical shotgun mag but twist to click on and and off. It would keep the shells in the mag when off the gun with a little lever which would fold flat when clicked on the gun.

[Merc1138]

looks like 1st gen CNC stuff.

I'd like to see 3D printable unit that straps on without drilling holes with some big Zip-ties and would accept 'clips' out of cheap white PVC (with a few easy homemade angled cuts, and maybe a printable end attachment).

Seems like with just minor mods a factory gun could use PVC clips. With all the 3-gun madness I'm surprised one the factory Race-Ready shotguns don't have it.

1st gen cnc? What?

A strap on funnel for the tubes that is secure in place and won't slide? Zip ties? And you expect a factory gun to include some garbage like that to run some home depot pvc tubes? Ignoring the insane idea of using zip ties(seriously, wtf?) unless you used metal, a 3d printed funnel is just going to break after the first 2-3 loads and almost no one is going to have a DMLS or similar setup at home. Then there's the issue of how cost prohibitive it would be(do you realize how long that takes?) to produce such a simple object via DMLS one at a time compared to just machining the part? And what holes are you drilling into the shotgun? Your shotgun already has holes in it for pins.

The headache I have now is what I get for bothering to take one of your posts seriously.

Factory shotguns are not going to include a funnel for tec loaders or anything similar since the market is so minimal they'd sit on gun store shelves collecting dust. Pretty much the only people who use such a system are open division 3 gunners. Realistically at best, there are maybe a few hundred potential customers for such a factory option, and that's not considering some of those customers having sponsorships or other contracts requiring them to use a specific brand, or even simply preference. Anyone who seriously wants an arredondo funnel just buys one and either installs it themselves or has a gunsmith do it while other work is being done to the gun.

What factories have actually been doing for a while now is widening the loading ports(although not necessarily perfect and some do still get tweaked afterwards along with the forend and lifter) on models like the mossberg 930 jm pro, beretta 1301 comp, and the remington versamax comp tactical.

And one more thing about it as a factory installed component, as if you'd be willing to even pay for a shotgun with that included when you're talking about PVC pipe and zip ties.

[Merc1138]

Two things I really dig about tube mags:

Able to top up mag while still keeping one in chamber and ready to fire.

Able to easily load a diff round while keeping rest of the mag's stack ready.




Maybe I'm invent a Hybrid replaceable tube mag.

Be like typical shotgun mag but twist to click on and and off. It would keep the shells in the mag when off the gun with a little lever which would fold flat when clicked on the gun.

Congratulations, you've conceptualized the SRM 1216 which is made without zip ties, and it's $2000.

[CK_32]

$60 doesn't sound like much, but if its $60 X maybe 4 or more just for what SHOULD be just $0.16 of PVC and maybe $2 of hardware store springs.....

Four things I really dig about tube mags:

Able to top up mag while still keeping one in chamber and ready to fire.

Able to easily load a diff round while keeping rest of the mag's stack ready.

Not having to do something with the empty mags.

The svelte along-side-the-barrel form-factor.




Maybe I'm invent a Hybrid replaceable tube mag.

Be like typical shotgun mag but twist to click on and and off. It would keep the shells in the mag when off the gun with a little lever which would fold flat when clicked on the gun.

I was just poking fun at shotguns. They are what they are and are limited how they are. I prefer rifles for anything that may require more than 2-5 shots. Hell even anything over 2, if I use all 5 and miss once or twice im still screwed cause my mag tube is already probably empty.

Rifles will always be my prefered because they were made to fight off hoards of people and or bad guys. Shotguns, not so much. Using a gun for what it's not designed to do won't make it do what it's not meant to. So I'd rather stick to what's designed for a specific role.

Shotguns have their place, but when trying to make it compete with a rifle/handgun specifically built for the task at hand. The shotgun will always fall short.

Like the saying "never try and be someone your not, because that someone will always be them selves better".

It's not meant to be a instant reload device, so we all need to accept it and move one. Sure make it adaptive, but in reality. It's a faulty system just getting faultier.

I've come to terms and accepted it and like I said have shotguns (several actually) for specific reasons. Some even including SD/HD. But I also have rifles and handuns at the ready if the situtsrion(s) call for it.

As a competition shooting I get the whole mod and new gadget stuff cause your stuck with rules and in reality it's just a game. But outside of competition they are useless in 90% of the roles people force them to fill and stand in.

[The Last American Hero]

Congratulations, you've conceptualized the SRM 1216 which is made without zip ties, and it's $2000.

THX! I guess Great Minds do think alike.

But I'd want it to maintain the classic shotgun/levergun form factor. Not some ugly, bulky Tacticool thing.

And 3 secs sounds like a long time for a mag swap, regardless. How many rds can your average user load in 3 seconds after some practice? I'm guessing 6-8.

Can the SRM 1216 mag be topped up like a normal tube mag?


" was just poking fun at shotguns. They are what they are and are limited how they are. I prefer rifles for anything that may require more than 2-5 shots. Hell even anything over 2, if I use all 5 and miss once or twice im still screwed cause my mag tube is already probably empty.

Rifles will always be my prefered because they were made to fight off hoards of people and or bad guys. Shotguns, not so much. Using a gun for what it's not designed to do won't make it do what it's not meant to. So I'd rather stick to what's designed for a specific role.

Shotguns have their place, but when trying to make it compete with a rifle/handgun specifically built for the task at hand. The shotgun will always fall short."

I like shotguns because a 12 ga is good for everything from clays to grizzly bears, and I'm about as good with a rifled slug as a real rifle, especially in anything except bench rest shooting. My point is shotguns seem ALMOST able to accept a cheap homemade speed loader clip out of PVC, which would make them much better for fighting off hordes of badguys or Zombies, as well as take the skill out of fast reloading. The "almost" means IMO they could be designed to take a PVC clip without any other user noticeable changes (Rem 870/1100 etc customer base is largely very set in their ways, don't want to be New Coke lol) This would be geared for Tacticool shotguns, since rd cap limited in hunting.

Haven't you ever seen "The Birds" by Hitchcock starring...forgot her name. But wouldn't a speed loading (with lots of lightweight shell-caddy clips) shotgun be ideal? Yeah, I'd want the Clips to double as convenient ready-ammo storage.

I also think speed loader tube clips would be a great force multiplier in SHTF etc, since tube mag shotguns are so common.