And what is the minimum length on a shotgun bbl. we can have?

[ENTHUSIAST]

And what is the minimum OAL?

[domokun]

18" minimum barrel length, 26" OAL.

[freakshow10mm]

18 inches on a shotgun.

[ENTHUSIAST]

THANKS GUYS!

[Dark&Good]

And the maximum allowed length?
And when am I allowed to eat onion? And how much am I allowed to sweat?

[vandal]

Do you want an AOW or SBS (short barrel shotgun) in CA?

[AJAX22]

for percussion shotguns you can go as short as you want

but for cartridge guns the above info is correct.

[JDay]

And what is the minimum OAL?

State law says 18" but federal law says 18.5" so I wouldn't go any shorter without an NFA tax stamp.

[AJAX22]

federal law is only 18, NOT 18.5

many manufacturers add an extra .5 just to make sure over zealous law enforcement don't screw up the measurements.

but both state and fed law is 18 inch barrel, 26 inch overall length.

[-hanko]

State law says 18" but federal law says 18.5" so I wouldn't go any shorter without an NFA tax stamp.

Care to link where you found 18-1/2 inches??

Not correct, fed law = state law = 18" minimum when measured from the business end of the barrel to the bolt face, with the bolt in battery. Minimum oal is 26" in both federal and state statutes.

Please don't post stuff, especially legal stuff, unless you can back up your answer.

-hanko

[supermario]

So i understand a shotgun has to have a 18" barrell and overall length of 26" but does that still apply to a semi auto shotgun, lets say perhaps i have a saiga12, can i have a pistol grip on it with no stock as long as its a fixed mag with minimum barrell of 18" and no shorter than 26". Because one guy told me that when its a "semi auto" its can be no shorter than 30" like a rifle. Please help me in clarifying these laws. becus i want a pistol grip Saiga!!!! Thanks guys for your help

[ke6guj]

The only time I see 30" mentioned is regarding semi-auto rifles, not shotguns.

12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:

(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:
(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.
(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.
(8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

It would appear that that a PG-only Saiga-12 with a fixed mag would not be an AW, and it would not be an SBS if the barrel was 18" and OAL was 26".

[supermario]

Oh Thanks alot for the input. I was wondering, you wrote this but you still do not seem 100% positive right? Should i look into this anymore, just in case or do you think its pretty obvious that its legal in Cali. I dont mean to be questioning you but I just scared to have anything illegal without even knowing it. Once again thanks alot for you help. If all is good, i cant wait to have a pg saiga! Once cool shotgun.

[ke6guj]

AFAIK, I am 100% correct, but I try not to talk in absolutes. The CA PC on firearms is 150+ pages, plus backing regulations, and then there is the federal codes as well. Something might have been missed or forgotten.

I would throw out the example of the PG-only Mossberg 500s and Remington 870s. By those being CA-legal, we know that you can have a PG-only pump-shotgun as long as they are 18+"/26+". So, then, we need to see why it would be legal for a pump gun to be legal, but not a semi-auto. The only semi-auto shotguns regs I am aware of are what I posted above, and as long as the Saiga-12 had a fixed mag and did not have both a folding/colapsable stock and a PG, and was not otherwise an SBS, then it should be legal.

[supermario]

Ok cool, thanx for all the help you just made my day. I have a guy who is gonna convert my saiga and he put on a permanent rear trunion so that i can install any Ar15 style stock. Some people say why do that but the Ar have more types and styles of stocks, plus now my sig 556, LMT and my saiga will have interchangeable stocks. Also if you want, you can remove the stock/tube and it comes with a adapter to plug the hole and it has a sling swivel attached for the pistol grip configuration. Anyways thanks alot man.