VEPR 12, stick with 5 round mags???

[E__WOK]

Was it worth the cost, weight, and mass in order to use 8 or 10 round mags?

Spending $100 on parts not including the mags seems like a waste.

Reloading another 5 round mag is quick and easy.

[jdben92883]

Funny...I consider being stuck with 5 rounds a waste. Bullet buttons are far from "quick and easy".

[NapalmCheese]

Was it worth the cost, weight, and mass in order to use 8 or 10 round mags?

Spending $100 on parts not including the mags seems like a waste.

Reloading another 5 round mag is quick and easy.

You're wasting your time without 10 round mags.

What's better than 1-1/8 oz of lead traveling at your clay target at 1200 fps?
11-1/4 oz of lead heading at your clay target at 1200 fps.

[E__WOK]

You're wasting your time without 10 round mags.

What's better than 1-1/8 oz of lead traveling at your clay target at 1200 fps?
11-1/4 oz of lead heading at your clay target at 1200 fps.

How is the balance and maneuverability with the 10 round mag?

Molot mag prices:

5 rounds $40
8 rounds $80
10 rounds $120

Three times the cost for twice the capacity?

[jdben92883]

It's odd you'd spend $1k on a shotgun made specifically for higher capacity options, yet complain about the $$ it takes to make it 922 compliant and the cost of the magazines. Why would it be any less maneuverable with an 8 or 10 round mag?

Three times the cost for twice the capacity?

Perhaps a better option for you would be a Benelli? I assure you I can run 9 rounds through one and reload and run 9 more faster than you can fumble around with 3 "quick and easy" mag changes on a Vepr12.

[bigbearbear]

How do you usually use your shotgun? If you use it for plinking at the range or shooting clays with it, the 5 round magazine is perfectly fine.

If you're using it for 3 gun competition, it might be worth it to upgrade. Check with members here who compete, I think "SupersetCA" competes in 3 gun, you should check with him.

For HD, I think its a bit of a toss up. While it is highly unlikely that you'll need more than 5 rounds, having more doesn't hurt either. I guess in HD scenario, it might be worth the upgrade.

[CAGLS]

My 8 rd csspec mags and 10rd mags feed and function fine for me.

[E__WOK]

How do you usually use your shotgun? If you use it for plinking at the range or shooting clays with it, the 5 round magazine is perfectly fine.

If you're using it for 3 gun competition, it might be worth it to upgrade. Check with members here who compete, I think "SupersetCA" competes in 3 gun, you should check with him.

For HD, I think its a bit of a toss up. While it is highly unlikely that you'll need more than 5 rounds, having more doesn't hurt either. I guess in HD scenario, it might be worth the upgrade.

Range use at this time. Perhaps 3 gun in the future.

Another point I wanted to make is the 922 parts do not add any functional improvements except to allow the user to use 5+ mags.

[E__WOK]

It's odd you'd spend $1k on a shotgun made specifically for higher capacity options, yet complain about the $$ it takes to make it 922 compliant and the cost of the magazines. Why would it be any less maneuverable with an 8 or 10 round mag?

Three times the cost for twice the capacity?

Perhaps a better option for you would be a Benelli? I assure you I can run 9 rounds through one and reload and run 9 more faster than you can fumble around with 3 "quick and easy" mag changes on a Vepr12.

Yeah, you could probably shoot and reload the Benelli faster than I can shoot the vepr.

But I already have a Super 90.

What is the purpose of swapping the factory parts for US made parts besides being allowed to shoot higher capacity mags?

A replacement grip doesn't make the shotgun function any better.

Fire control parts? Same thing.

Puck? No improvement.

The only part where I see an improvement is the muzzle break.

We still won't be able to break the weld in order to use the folding stock.

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On another note, what slings and sling attachment are you using? I'm right handed. The right side sling swivel doesn't make any sense.

[SuperSet]

I haven't seen anyone run a VEPR 12 shotgun yet so it's just starting to make its way into 3 gun. Usually, I see Saigas. Some run well, some don't.

[FiveSeven]

It's odd you'd spend $1k on a shotgun made specifically for higher capacity options, yet complain about the $$ it takes to make it 922 compliant and the cost of the magazines. Why would it be any less maneuverable with an 8 or 10 round mag?

Three times the cost for twice the capacity?

Perhaps a better option for you would be a Benelli? I assure you I can run 9 rounds through one and reload and run 9 more faster than you can fumble around with 3 "quick and easy" mag changes on a Vepr12.

I assure you that you can't..... Changing mags on Vepr is faster than Saiga and even with the bullet button changing mags are very easy and fast. Mag release lever is fairly large and magazines literally fly out. 10 round mag can be changed in 2 seconds with the bullet button, 1 with little practice.
No way you will manually load 10 (9) rounds in to Benelli in that time (not counting retarded speedloaders).

[bug_eyedmonster]

I assure you that you can't..... Changing mags on Vepr is faster than Saiga and even with the bullet button changing mags are very easy and fast. Mag release lever is fairly large and magazines literally fly out. 10 round mag can be changed in 2 seconds with the bullet button, 1 with little practice.
No way you will manually load 10 (9) rounds in to Benelli in that time (not counting retarded speedloaders).

No saying either is correct, but with my Saiga 12, it takes me the same amount of time to load eight rounds into my M1 and M4 as it does to change one mag. That's just my experience, I'm sure there are guys who compete in 3 gun that can load their mag tube shotguns faster than me. It's the damn bullet button on the S12 that kills me.


Jerry

[FiveSeven]

It's about practice.... Magazine lock is easier to work with than on AK. Magazine changes on Vepr are easier than Saiga for sure.....rounds carried in a magazine are better protected and easier to reload with than speed loaders.
It's humanly not possible to grab shells and load them one after another vs just slamming a magazine into magwell. Number of physics/motion involved is pretty self explanatory.

[Caseless]

Doesn't SGM make cheaper 10rd VEPR 12 mags? They aren't as reliable as Russian mags, but fine for range/plinking use.

IMHO, if you are a serious 3gun competitor, you will not use any mag-locked S12 or V12 for big matches in CA. Unlocking a mag-locked S12 or V12 under time pressure is not fumble-free regardless how much you practice. Try it on the run and you will know what I mean. Load-two technique is faster, and reliably so.

Once you are out of CA, the S12 has a slight edge over the V12 since you have the option of using the 20rd drum.

[81turbota]

SGM mags suck in my V12. FTF and will not operate the BHO reliably. The factory Molot mag works great and I'm about to order some Csspecs mags.