Private Party Transfers in State...

[truwarier]

I can't seem to find an answer to this question anywhere. If a neighbor wanted to sell a .22lr Savage to me, does the transfer still have through a FFL dealer?

I know that if the seller is from out of state it does, but in-state I'm not sure.

[r1ghtw1ng]

Unless the rifle is older than 50 yrs, you must through an FFL. It is a misdemeanor for the seller to dodge the DROS process.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Buying_and_selling_firearms_in_California#Buying_from_a_Private_Party_-_PPT

[truwarier]

Unless the rifle is older than 50 yrs, you must through an FFL. It is a misdemeanor for the seller to dodge the DROS process.

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Bu...te_Party_-_PPT

I believe the rifle was manufactured in the late 40's or some where in the 50's. Its an old Savage Stevens .22LR Model 87A.

[Izzy43]

I believe the rifle was manufactured in the late 40's or some where in the 50's. Its an old Savage Stevens .22LR Model 87A.

You need to establish the birthdate of the rifle. Believing that it is a certain age won't keep you out of trouble, knowing the age will. Just err on the safe side. Unlawful transfer of firearms in today's world can cause you a lot of grief, especially in our state.

[Eljay]

A lot of guns you can look up the age via serial # although apparently for Savage the data isn't as good as some brands. The company doesn't have data on that kind of thing from before the late 60s. So I'd focus on what years that model was made and hope they didn't make ANY after the cutoff. If they made some before and some after its probably easier to just do the FFL thing.

[Tank 57]

A lot of older pre-1968 .22s have no serial numbers.Makes date of manufacture impossible to determine.

Worth the $35 to avoid problems.

[edgerly779]

That firearm is at least 50 plus years old. Went out of production around 1950

[truwarier]

Stevens Savage 87A Patents: 2094577, 2224758, 2223093, RE22585, 22771576

Thats everything thats on it apparently. Also a 4 stamped in front of the rear sights.

[covingtonhouse]

If you decide you don't want it, let me know.... I have a small savage/stevens/springfield collection that could use an additional 87a for my other son.

[santamonica9]

id go to a FFL and do a private party transfer for $35 - i agree w/others "in our state its not worth" making an error on manufacture date. Yup you will have to wait the ten days sadly but it will officially be recorded in CA DOJ that you are the owner. good luck

[edgerly779]

That 22 is c&r .No need to do dros.

[truwarier]

That 22 is c&r .No need to do dros.

Thats what I wanted to know, thanks.

[coverme2]

A lot of older pre-1968 .22s have no serial numbers.Makes date of manufacture impossible to determine.

Worth the $35 to avoid problems.

With no serial numbers and/or no documentation of legal ownership, how can/does the "seller" sell to the rifle to a buyer even via a PPT through an FFL?

How is it possible for a "seller", with no numbers/docs of ownership of rifle, to sell the rifle if there is no proof of legal ownership to sell?

What exactly does the FFL do to make the sale of such a rifle with no numbers and/or docs legal and in compliance with the laws?

This inquiring mind wants to know. Estate sales, storage auctions, and barn finds come to mind.

[ke6guj]

With no serial numbers and/or no documentation of legal ownership, how can/does the "seller" sell to the rifle to a buyer even via a PPT through an FFL?

How is it possible for a "seller", with no numbers/docs of ownership of rifle, to sell the rifle if there is no proof of legal ownership to sell?

What exactly does the FFL do to make the sale of such a rifle with no numbers and/or docs legal and in compliance with the laws?

This inquiring mind wants to know. Estate sales, storage auctions, and barn finds come to mind.

the FFL just logs in as a Savage Model 87A and for the serial number lists NSN or none. not much more he can do.

[L.A. Saiga]

eh....ppt it...it's only 35 bucks...be on the safe side...