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  • #16
    shinbone
    Member
    • Dec 2009
    • 281

    Originally posted by jwentzel
    most consistent I have found is Elley black box. Cheaper than Tennex and the same results.
    Eley black is actually Tenex. 'Black' just happens to be the sorted bunch that didn't make it to Tenex standards. But how this stuff is sorted is through sample batches within entire lots. What this means is it is entirely possible the samples don't entirely represent the consistency of the rest of the lot which could be Tenex quality. That's why you can find batches of 'Black' that shoot just like Tenex, because it is just that.
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    • #17
      fast318
      Senior Member
      • Feb 2007
      • 761

      I fired a few five-round groups and here's what I got at 50yrds:

      Wolf Match- .5"
      Lapua- .5"
      Federal Bulk Pack- .5-1.5"
      RWS Target (only shot one string)- 1"

      I was very pleased with the Federal, most strings were an inch and often less. Next trip I'm going to move out to 100yrds, SBR&G can get pretty windy so lets see how it goes.

      Oh, I almost forgot; I zeroed my scope in at 50 yrds with the Federal and the Wolf and Lapua shoot about 1.5" low.

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      • #18
        Merc1138
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Feb 2009
        • 19742

        Originally posted by fast318
        I fired a few five-round groups and here's what I got at 50yrds:

        Wolf Match- .5"
        Lapua- .5"
        Federal Bulk Pack- .5-1.5"
        RWS Target (only shot one string)- 1"

        I was very pleased with the Federal, most strings were an inch and often less. Next trip I'm going to move out to 100yrds, SBR&G can get pretty windy so lets see how it goes.

        Oh, I almost forgot; I zeroed my scope in at 50 yrds with the Federal and the Wolf and Lapua shoot about 1.5" low.
        Probably because the wolf and lapua are subsonic, and the federal wasn't.

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        • #19
          fast318
          Senior Member
          • Feb 2007
          • 761

          Originally posted by Merc1138
          Probably because the wolf and lapua are subsonic, and the federal wasn't.
          I assumed the target ammo was but didn't realize that it would have a POI that much lower at 50 yrds.

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          • #20
            Tripeaks69
            Senior Member
            • Mar 2011
            • 942

            M happy with Wolf MT


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            • #21
              Dattebayo
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2013
              • 2344

              Local and Internet matches, I shoot just either Remington Golden Bullets or Remington Subsonics. I can get dime sized groups out of either the ammo and more consistency with sorting.

              If I was ever to compete on a Regional, National, or International level, Eley ammo all day long. Eley ammo has been used to win more Olympic gold medals and won more official matches than any other ammo to date.
              Last edited by Dattebayo; 05-21-2013, 3:42 AM.

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              • #22
                OceanDreamer
                Member
                • Mar 2013
                • 212

                Eley Match in the black box....

                I have never had any of my .22's not like it.

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                • #23
                  shinbone
                  Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 281

                  Originally posted by fast318
                  I fired a few five-round groups and here's what I got at 50yrds:

                  Wolf Match- .5"
                  Lapua- .5"
                  Federal Bulk Pack- .5-1.5"
                  RWS Target (only shot one string)- 1"

                  I was very pleased with the Federal, most strings were an inch and often less. Next trip I'm going to move out to 100yrds, SBR&G can get pretty windy so lets see how it goes.

                  Oh, I almost forgot; I zeroed my scope in at 50 yrds with the Federal and the Wolf and Lapua shoot about 1.5" low.
                  When you test different ammo, don't forget to send a patch thru the bore mildly soaked with bore cleaner, followed by dry patch between brands. Why? because they use different formulations of bullet lube. In testing my Anschutz, when I went from Lapua Center-X to Eley, the first 5 or so shots of Eley grouped large, then shrunk; it took a few shots to blow out the slick from the previous ammo.
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                  • #24
                    Eljay
                    Veteran Member
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 4985

                    FYI Wolf Match is made by Laupa, which is also the same company as SK. A lot of their ammo is identical in terms of velocity, just a question of how they passed quality control. If you hit the SK website and look for anything with the same velocity it should all do well in your gun. Then use Wolf Match Extra for the actual matches.

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                    • #25
                      XDRoX
                      Veteran Member
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 4420

                      I know people say different guns like different ammo but I've pretty much tried them all. And all my guns like Wolf.

                      So if you were just going to buy some without testing it first I'd try to find Wolf.
                      Chris
                      <----Rimfire Addict


                      Originally posted by Oceanbob
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                      • #26
                        Eljay
                        Veteran Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 4985

                        Wolf Match Extra is the same as Wolf Match Target that's passed a second round of quality control. If the velocity doesn't fit with your barrel harmonics you won't see any improvement.

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                        • #27
                          Izzy43
                          CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                          • Dec 2009
                          • 2670

                          Wolf Match Target and SK Std+ are the same ammo per a member on RFC that visited the Lapua factory in Germany. The ammo comes off the same line and packed in different boxes. Like many match ammo choices it can still vary (and sometimes badly) between lot numbers.

                          Both ammos shoot the same in my CZ UtraLux, Savage MKII BTVS and Kimber 82G. I always try to get the same lot # when re-ordering but its not always possible so sometimes its a crap shoot.

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                          • #28
                            rm1911
                            Veteran Member
                            • Jan 2013
                            • 4073

                            I have a bunch of boxes of eley club that I haven't tried yet, so I'm going to see if I can do better than this


                            that's 5 rounds of remington yellowjacket at 25 yds with 10/22 and tech sights off a soft rest.

                            oddly enough, the federal bulk shot worse. I still have GB's to shoot for accuracy as well as rem subsonics. every gun is going to shoot things differently and even though it says "target" on it, doesn't mean a thing other than they take alot more care in product consistency and QC. but, modern factory machines are very consistent.

                            I didn't think I'd get that kind of accuracy out of high velocity type ammo.
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                            • #29
                              Izzy43
                              CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                              • Dec 2009
                              • 2670

                              Originally posted by rm1911
                              I have a bunch of boxes of eley club that I haven't tried yet, so I'm going to see if I can do better than this


                              that's 5 rounds of remington yellowjacket at 25 yds with 10/22 and tech sights off a soft rest.

                              oddly enough, the federal bulk shot worse. I still have GB's to shoot for accuracy as well as rem subsonics. every gun is going to shoot things differently and even though it says "target" on it, doesn't mean a thing other than they take alot more care in product consistency and QC. but, modern factory machines are very consistent.

                              I didn't think I'd get that kind of accuracy out of high velocity type ammo.
                              The yellowjackets will still be supersonic at 25yds. Not sure at what range they will go below supersonic but that is where the accuracy will suffer. I have found that most ammo regardless of brand/velocity will be pretty accurate @ 40yds or less but HV ammo tends to loose accuracy beyond that point and sub-sonic will be more accurate than HV or Hyper-Velocity from muzzle to 100yds as it does not pass thru the turbulence created when higher velocity ammo transitions to sub-sonic velocity. Using Wolf Match Target my 5 shot groups tend to be .5" or less but it falls apart @ 100yds and I have to step up to Lapua Center-X or Hornady .17HMR V-max to shoot under MOA @ 100yds (and not every time and in still wind).

                              I would expect (but maybe not) the Yellow Jacket groups to double @ 50yds and triple/quadruple @ 100yds based on the group @ 25yds.

                              I have experimented with some Aguila Hyper velocity ammo 1450/1750fps and @ ranges beyond 50yds it groups like a shotgun. Tried in several different rifles with the same results. As always with rimfire ammo your mileage may vary.

                              Almost forgot. I know that Rem GBs get a lot of bad press but I also know folks who swear by it out to 100yds for minute of squirrel head. Just too many variances in ammo, rifles, pistols and environment to dismiss any ammo without in depth, extensive testing in each firearm. I personally have never had an issue with GBs but not match grade either.
                              Last edited by Izzy43; 05-22-2013, 5:58 PM.

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                              • #30
                                BrianRodela
                                Senior Member
                                • Jun 2010
                                • 607

                                I found my 10-22 loves Wolf MT with these 50 yd groups. Regularly hit golf tees at that distance.



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