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  • VintageDUG
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2012
    • 834

    10/22 blue loctite fail

    After shooting poorly with stock 10/22 sights on my All Weather and my Take Down at Appleseed, one of the orange hats had us try a loaner with a cheap Simmons scope on the last AQT. Our scores shot up so I ordered the exact same scope before we left the parking lot. I installed the scope on the All Weather and added Tech Sights to the Take Down.

    During the installs I carefully (or so I thought) added some blue Loctite via a toothpick to each screw. The scope was removed after I didn't like the factory rail and crappy rings. I installed an all in one mount/ring set, again using Loctite.

    I took some friends out shooting today, using mainly 22s. My son was helping a young shooter with with Take Down 10/22 and brought it to me with the bolt stuck open. I dropped the trigger group and sprayed some cleaner inside the bolt area. I had to smack the handle some to free the bolt. It was dirty from not being cleaned in 700+ rounds so I thought that was the problem. I oiled it and they shot 10 rounds ok.

    A few minutes later they were back with the all weather 10/22 which would not chamber a round. It looked like it was getting stuck 1/2 way. While I was working on it without any luck they brought the Take Down back over with the exact same problem. A couple old timers were in the area so I asked them to take a look. They seemed shocked my plinker 22s were not spotless and said it was all a cleaning issue. I wondered out loud why two different guns with different round counts would have the exact same failure on the same outing when neither had ever failed even when dirtier. All they could tell me was to clean them.

    Arriving home we went to work field striping, not even stopping for dinner. As soon as the bolt was out I knew the problem. I could see traces of loctite on the bolt. The firing pin was even gummed up.

    We deep cleaned them and removed every trace of loctite. They load flawlessly once more and we learned a valuable lesson. Well two lessons if you count reading the manual, which says not to loctite or something like that.

    In the future if I need to reapply loctite I'll remove the bolt.
    Originally posted by Munk
    This is akin to saying that the silver lining of being raped is, "hey, at least you're getting laid."
  • #2
    fredridge
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2012
    • 1090

    crap, I just put some purple on mine tonight, i thought the bolt seemed a little tighter, thought it was because I took it apart......gonna have to heck it before I take it out, I wasn't careful at all, but didn't use much

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    • #3
      psango
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Jul 2009
      • 1303

      Book say's no

      The instruction book say's not to use sealant on the threads of the scope mount. You're not the first one to do this me included.
      Always remember to pillage before you burn.

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      • #4
        Scratch705
        I need a LIFE!!
        • May 2009
        • 12537

        while the book officially says not to put any thread locker on the scope rail mount screws (since they go directly into the bolt area/chamber) there is the tip where when you do use thread locker, keep the entire receiver upside down with the bolt out. so any thread locker will not flow down into the bolt but back out.

        that is what i did, and i have zero issues with thread locker on my bolt.
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        • #5
          Merc1138
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2009
          • 19742

          Get an inch/pound torque wrench.

          Also, I can't help but wonder just how much loctite you used that managed to actually flow into the receiver and gum up the works. Those screws couldn't possibly use more than a drop, and even most of that should be wiped off since it takes so little to actually get the job done.

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          • #6
            tanakasan
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2011
            • 1638

            ^^Agreed.

            If its not "in the threads" its not doing any good. Clean the screws and hole with alcohol or acetone to remove any oil and use a toothpick as you did to place a bit on the screw threads. A drop will easily do a half dozen screws.

            Tighten as required then check and remove any excess...inside and out. It will stain/discolor the anodize if left to set on the receiver. Nice tip to let it set upside down to cure!

            Robert
            WTB/WTT

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            • #7
              fredridge
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2012
              • 1090

              Does loctite dry?

              I checked mine last night and didn't see any in the bolt or anywhere around there.

              Also used some on stock bolt as that kept coming loose too.

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              • #8
                tanakasan
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2011
                • 1638

                Loctite cures in the absence of air...anaerobic cure. That's why it stays liquid in the bottle. A drop on your workbench will stay liquid, change color and thicken slightly.

                Robert
                Last edited by tanakasan; 12-09-2012, 11:03 AM.
                WTB/WTT

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                • #9
                  VintageDUG
                  Senior Member
                  • Jul 2012
                  • 834

                  The instruction manual does say not to use loctite. Lesson #1 relearned. Always, always read the manual. Also, I used TOO much. Lesson #2. This post wouldn't be needed or very interesting if I used just enough and nothing went wrong.

                  The point of my post is it is nearly impossible to apply loctite without removing the bolt.

                  How much does it take to gum things up? Not much. I applied as gently and carefully as I could using a toothpick. That was much too much.

                  It had a positive outcome though. After I did the first one, my son took over and did the second one. We had never removed the bolt or firing pins before and now we know how.

                  So yeah, I failed at loctiting scope/sight screws. I learned from it.
                  Originally posted by Munk
                  This is akin to saying that the silver lining of being raped is, "hey, at least you're getting laid."

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                  • #10
                    VintageDUG
                    Senior Member
                    • Jul 2012
                    • 834

                    The instruction manual does say not to use loctite. Lesson #1 relearned. Always, always read the manual. Also, I used TOO much. Lesson #2. This post wouldn't be needed or very interesting if I used just enough and nothing went wrong.

                    The point of my post is it is nearly impossible to apply loctite without removing the bolt.

                    How much does it take to gum things up? Not much. I applied as gently and carefully as I could using a toothpick. That was much too much.

                    It had a positive outcome though. After I did the first one, my son took over and did the second one. We had never removed the bolt or firing pins before and now we know how.

                    So yeah, I failed at loctiting scope/sight screws. I learned from it.
                    Originally posted by Munk
                    This is akin to saying that the silver lining of being raped is, "hey, at least you're getting laid."

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                    • #11
                      Merc1138
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Feb 2009
                      • 19742

                      Now that you've got the mess cleaned up, get a torque wrench in inch pounds. There are two main causes of problems with mounting scopes

                      1: Didn't tighten screws down to spec. People end up using loctite as a band-aid of sorts when it isn't necessary.

                      2: Tightened screws down using the strength of 5 gorillas and stripped everything to hell.



                      It's may not be the most precise(I'm sure there's some $150 wrench out there that's amazing), but it'll get the job done and save you a lot of headaches.

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                      • #12
                        Izzy43
                        CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                        • Dec 2009
                        • 2670

                        Originally posted by Merc1138
                        Now that you've got the mess cleaned up, get a torque wrench in inch pounds. There are two main causes of problems with mounting scopes

                        1: Didn't tighten screws down to spec. People end up using loctite as a band-aid of sorts when it isn't necessary.

                        2: Tightened screws down using the strength of 5 gorillas and stripped everything to hell.



                        It's may not be the most precise(I'm sure there's some $150 wrench out there that's amazing), but it'll get the job done and save you a lot of headaches.
                        Yes, that. Also everyone should use a torque wrench when installing rings to mount and rings to scope. Prevents damage to the scope. More scopes are broken during installation than being dropped. Its why companies who sell scopes won't accept a returned scope if it has been mounted.

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