M&P 15-22 why no bullet button

[RuskieShooter]

Or like saying that its probably not illegal for me to buy a used G19 barrel or slide and use it in my gun... because the barrel has a serial number on it that would differ from whats on my actual gun.

Of course its not!

You are misunderstanding what I'm saying. Am I saying its illegal? No. Will an uninformed LEO hassle you and possibly make you jump through a bunch of hoops? Possible.

Like I said, if you want to risk being the test case; feel free. You will probably win in the long run and get a payday out of it. I'm of the mindset that I want to give LE as few reasons to hassle/dig into my business/detain me and I don't feel like spending my time on being the test case.

YMMV.

-Ruskie

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

I'm not an expert by any stretch of the imagination, but here is what I have picked up lurking:

1) An AR with a dedicated .22lr upper is good with no bullet button.

2) An AR with a "conversion kit" may be questionable as it is still technically a .223/5.56 upper and can be converted back.

3) A lower with no upper specifically marked as .223 or 5.56 (marked "multi-caliber" is ok) may be an issue.

Before I get flamed for 2 and 3, let me explain that there is no verification that these are illegal and, in fact, probably are not. However, do you have the time and money to be a possible test case?

I decided to bypass the whole thing and bought an M&P 15-22.

-Ruskie

There are some holes in your "lurking gained" knowledge. You may need further study regarding what is and isn't a "centerfire rifle" as described in the relevant Penal Code. Not a flame, just a piece of free advice and worth what it costs. Even the slowest of my former colleagues can read a Penal Code and figure out what the prongs of a possible offense are. You may want to start your continued study there and learn exactly what the code prohibits.

[RuskieShooter]

There are some holes in your "lurking gained" knowledge. You may need further study regarding what is and isn't a "centerfire rifle" as described in the relevant Penal Code.

Centerfire: Any metallic cartridge which is fired by a strike from a firing pin in the center of cartridge's head. A typical centerfire cartridge will contain a pocket formed in the center of its head, or base. A separate primer is inserted into that pocket during manufacture.

Rimfire: A metallic cartridge which contains priming compound within its rim, rather than in a separate primer. This compound is sort of sandwiched between two layers of brass around the rim, and when the firing pin strikes the cartridge rim, it rapidly compresses the priming compound.

I understand the difference. Please note that the relevant PCs don't exempt rimfire; they simply don't include them which in "legalese" is a noticeable difference.

Even the slowest of my former colleagues can read a Penal Code and figure out what the prongs of a possible offense are.

Which is why CGF and 2AF are pursuing legal action in various court cases stating that CA gun law is so convoluted that no one (not even LE) can understand them and various PDs are being sued for confiscating and arresting owners of legally configured ARs and AKs...

You may want to start your continued study there and learn exactly what the code prohibits.

I did read and understand the code, but as I stated the laws are convoluted and unclear in many regards which can lead to issues with LE (for right or wrong). I'm not a lawyer and don't want to be one; I was just passing on what I had read on these forums to someone who asked a question.

As I stated, if you want to be the test case to help clarify the f'd up laws in this state, be my guest. I choose not to and try to tailor my purchases/configurations to avoid issues down the road with over-zealous LEOs.

-Ruskie

[Grumpyoldretiredcop]

I was just passing on what I had read on these forums to someone who asked a question.

As I stated, if you want to be the test case to help clarify the f'd up laws in this state, be my guest. I choose not to and try to tailor my purchases/configurations to avoid issues down the road with over-zealous LEOs.

-Ruskie

And your understanding was not correct. Stop spreading FUD.

[RuskieShooter]

And your understanding was not correct. Stop spreading FUD.

I'm sorry if I'm spreading FUD. I re-read my posts and would appreciate it if you could point out my errors.

-Ruskie