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[Lazyme]

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[bombadillo]

So how do you bullet button the gun? I'm wondering how you will do this without running a mag lock, or what are you going to do there. I've been wanting a charger for years but with a mag outside of the grip its difficult. Even if you SSE the gun, you still have to come up with a mag lock for it and I have never seen one for a 10/22 yet.

[Jeepers]

So how do you bullet button the gun? I'm wondering how you will do this without running a mag lock, or what are you going to do there. I've been wanting a charger for years but with a mag outside of the grip its difficult. Even if you SSE the gun, you still have to come up with a mag lock for it and I have never seen one for a 10/22 yet.

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Use with a flat mag catch...old style original Ruger works fine.
The upper "legs" get pinched in place between the action and stock when used on a Charger.
You can add a pin hole into each leg and then use the mag catch pin hole in the trigger group (with a longer cross pin or 4/40 screw) to further secure the BB.


Another view mounted on a Charger with one of my Pistol Kits.

[ke6guj]

So how do you bullet button the gun? I'm wondering how you will do this without running a mag lock, or what are you going to do there. I've been wanting a charger for years but with a mag outside of the grip its difficult. Even if you SSE the gun, you still have to come up with a mag lock for it and I have never seen one for a 10/22 yet.

here you go, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=608405

[bombadillo]

May just need to figure out some spring weights for the bolt more than anything. Getting the right stuff should be pretty easy as there is no real gas system on it. It would be easy finding new parts though. Try a factory kit of wolf springs and go from there.

[MyOdessa]

22LR Barrel Length vs. Velocity.

Barrel length vs velocity seems to always be a topic of interest to most hunters. But with the 22LR cartridge, rifle length barrels can actually reduce the velocity potential of this round.

In the VOL. 9, NO. 4 issue of GUNS & AMMO magazine, Bob Milek wrote an article titled: BARREL LENGTH VS VELOCITY, where he took a number of barrels and guns and cut down the barrels in one inch increments, measuring the velocity loss at each step of the process for a number of centerfires as well as the 22LRs. It's a very interesting article. Here are the velocities recorded for the 22LR starting at 14 inches and going down to 4 inches.

14" = 1,105 fps.
13" = 1,106
12" = 1,110
11" = 1,089
10" = 1,114
..9" = 1,077
..8" = 1,063
..7" = 1,057
..6" = 1,024
..5" = ..959
..4" = ..927 fps.

The 11 inch velocity was an anomoly which turns up from time to time in nearly all firearms testing. As can be seen, any barrel length between 6 and 10 inches will produce very acceptable velocities and energies with the 22LR. Different brands of ammo will produce some minor velocity variations, but not enough to make all that much of a difference in performance. The above tests were conducted with Winchester HV Solids.

In the 1986 issue of SHOOTING TIMES, in an article titled: T/C's SENSATIONAL NEW SHOOTING SYSTEM, the following velocities were recorded for 22LR high velocity loads.

10" = 1,229 fps ...4 group R-P 36-Gr HP REM HV
10" = 1,498 fps ...9 group CCI 32-Gr HP STINGERS
10" = 1,417 fps 1.1 group W-W 29-Gr HP EXTREEMES

In the same article the following comparison was made for different firearms, action types, and barrel lengths with 22LR ammo, given with R-P HV HP ammo:

Colt New Frontier..Sa Revolver.. 4 3/4" ..996 fps
S&W Mod 17 K-22....Da Revolver.. 6".... 1,092 fps
Ruger Single 6.....Sa Revolver.. 6 1/2" 1,028 fps
S&W Mod 41.......Auto Pistol.... 7 3/8" 1,087 fps
S&W Mod 17 K-22....Da Revolver.. 8 3/8" 1,049 fps
Sako Mod 78......Bolt Rifle.... 22 1/2" 1,219 fps
T/C Contender. S/Shot Pistol....10".... 1,229 fps
REM. Factory Data.... Test BL...18 1/2" 1,280 fps

An interesting point is that revolvers, irrespective of barrel length, showed much less velocity loss than is usually attributed to them compared to the closed breach auto or T/C Contender firearms.

[CCrawford]

No need to find a new hobby!

Epoxy and old mag = 0 shot sled

Lock +sled = SSE exemption as long as long barrel is used

Ruger does not list seperate spring sets for the charger (Part # B-48A) versus 10/22 (Part # B-48A) and they have sold a few, so no worries there. If you are really concered, Kidd sells different rate springs for different types of ammo.

Member Woodey held a 10/22 80% party and the info is here. Lots of good information in that thread.

Locks are available per the details in the link that ke6guj posted above (or PM me). Directions for the lock kit is here.

Good luck with whatever way you go,
Criss