Tactical Solutions X-Ring

[44fred]

Anybody have any first hand experience with these?
Please speak of group size at ? yards, and be specific on ammo please.
My FFL got one in the other day and showed it to us, BEAUTIFUL and very light.
They are supposed to be very accurate with the right ammo (<1/2" @ 50yds).
Just might want this to be the last 22 I ever buy. I know they are expensive but I don't want to spend time assembling parts myself.

[44fred]

Wow, nobody

[fazu1]

i have tactical solution barrels on both my 1022s....50 yards dime size group....great quality, super light, and looks awesome.

[Merc1138]

If you're talking about the entire rifle, they aren't very common(cost, dealers not stocking many with such a customizable and low demand item it's hard to buy a bunch of inventory that may sit on shelves for ages because of color choice or something else).

I happen to have an x-ring receiver sitting in a TS vantage stock, and it's nice. However it's certainly not the last .22 I'd ever buy.

As far as assembling things yourself is concerned, it's easier than putting together an AR as long as you understand what an inch/pound torque wrench is and not to turn screws/bolts like a gorilla.

There are some rumors floating around that the TS barrels start out the same as the whistle pig(what I used on mine) barrels, and I know mine is capable of under an inch at 100 yards. However when you end up with a rifle that lightweight it actually ends up pretty challenging since it becomes so easy to move around and as a result, is not necessarily the ideal target rifle.

[aermotor]

I have the barrel alone, don't shoot for groups but the thing is DAMN light and very accurate. Regularly shoot shotshells at 25-50 yards with a red dot.

[44fred]

Merc1138
Do you have a close number what you ended up paying for all the parts needed to assemble your .22?
My FFL says he can sell me the complete rifle for just over $800 OTD. Seems like you would have more than that starting with a bare receiver and buying quality parts.
Thanks, Fred

[Merc1138]

If you can get it for a little over $800 OTD, that's definitely a good deal. Just the barrel, receiver, and stock alone ran me over $800. Of course when you want something very specific that isn't offered in a factory made model you end up paying more.

[JackRydden224]

$800 OTD is great.

I got quoted $760 + tax and DROS so about $860 for a PWS Summit T3.

Did your FFL give you a delivery date?

[44fred]

Actually, he did not. I was there for another transaction and he showed me his personal X-Ring he just got in. This is how I found out about the gun, he hadn't shot it yet and I haven't talked to him since. I'm going to pick up some parts I ordered in a few days, maybe then I'll nail down a price and production time. Colors and options from what I understand are all custom (built to order). The light weight appeals to me for small game hunting. The light weight doesn't appeal to me for paper punching. I just sold my paper puncher and am looking for a hunter.
Fred

[JackRydden224]

Actually, he did not. I was there for another transaction and he showed me his personal X-Ring he just got in. This is how I found out about the gun, he hadn't shot it yet and I haven't talked to him since. I'm going to pick up some parts I ordered in a few days, maybe then I'll nail down a price and production time. Colors and options from what I understand are all custom (built to order). The light weight appeals to me for small game hunting. The light weight doesn't appeal to me for paper punching. I just sold my paper puncher and am looking for a hunter.
Fred

When you do please let us know. It'll give the rest of us an idea what price to go after.

I do want to ask though, does the receiver really make a difference?

[Merc1138]

When you do please let us know. It'll give the rest of us an idea what price to go after.

I do want to ask though, does the receiver really make a difference?

Difference in what? Accuracy? No. The recoil spring, bolt, and charging handle are different than the stock ruger stuff, as well as being better finished(not appearing like someone's bad stucco job on a wall).

[JackRydden224]

Difference in what? Accuracy? No. The recoil spring, bolt, and charging handle are different than the stock ruger stuff, as well as being better finished(not appearing like someone's bad stucco job on a wall).

Okay, that means I can actually buy a complete 10/22 and upgrade all the internals as I go. It'll be cheaper and I can still achieve the same accuracy

The prettier receivers are pulling me in though....

[Merc1138]

Well.. I'm not sure that would get you the same effect. I have no idea what trigger group TS uses for their x-ring rifles. The only other internal parts are the bolt(and of course the firing pin, extractor), recoil spring/guiderod/charging handle.

The x-ring receiver has 2 recoil springs, the charging handle is bolted to the side of the bolt as opposed to riding along a guiderod. Even if you got an aftermarket bolt, that wouldn't change the crappy interior finish of the ruger receiver, or the lame guiderod assembly.

Now I knew that stuff wasn't particularly important, however I felt like not wanting to buy crap and I didn't want a painted receiver either(why can't ruger just anodize their aluminum...), and since I already knew I wasn't going to use the stock barrel, stock, trigger group, etc. on a new build I just said to heck with it and built it without a single ruger part involved.

[JackRydden224]

Well.. I'm not sure that would get you the same effect. I have no idea what trigger group TS uses for their x-ring rifles. The only other internal parts are the bolt(and of course the firing pin, extractor), recoil spring/guiderod/charging handle.

The x-ring receiver has 2 recoil springs, the charging handle is bolted to the side of the bolt as opposed to riding along a guiderod. Even if you got an aftermarket bolt, that wouldn't change the crappy interior finish of the ruger receiver, or the lame guiderod assembly.

Now I knew that stuff wasn't particularly important, however I felt like not wanting to buy crap and I didn't want a painted receiver either(why can't ruger just anodize their aluminum...), and since I already knew I wasn't going to use the stock barrel, stock, trigger group, etc. on a new build I just said to heck with it and built it without a single ruger part involved.

I know I can always count on you for good info

I guess that's why people say if you want to build a 10/22, be ready to spend a lot of money LOL.

[Merc1138]

I know I can always count on you for good info

I guess that's why people say if you want to build a 10/22, be ready to spend a lot of money LOL.

I wouldn't say that you have to spend a lot. A boyds stock that fits tightly, green mountain barrel, and some trigger components(as opposed to a whole trigger pack) can go a long way for upgrading a 10/22 without spending a ton of cash. Of course at the same time "a lot of money" is always relative. I think what people manage to screw up the most with, is buying things twice. Get a barrel, it's not what you really wanted, end up buying another. You see people do it all the time with AR's too(I'm also guilty of that...).

Personally, I like the idea of the 10/22. The basic concept is fine, the takedown is ok, the ability to easily change parts is nice. What I hate about the ruger 10/22 is that they've done diddly squat since the 60's to refine it. Something as simple as modifying the bolt catch is easy enough to do, but ruger doesn't seem to think it's necessary and that ticks me off. They could have made a change to prevent barrel droop. They can't make up their minds about the stupid barrel band(some models have it, some don't) or just include a normal sling stud. It's obviously a low cost rifle, but the changes they could make to help refine it wouldn't cost an arm and a leg to do while still leaving the match grade barrels and triggers to the aftermarket companies for those interested. They could easily sell a $400-500 "deluxe" model that includes improvements to have a model on the shelf that doesn't need work straight out of the box, but they haven't. Hopefully with the changes going on at ruger(25 round magazines, ar-15s and 1911s, etc.) someone will eventually get something out there that's worth a crap.

/rant