Bolt action single shot .22 rifle

[Swif]

I am looking for good information on what to look at for my daughter. she is apart of the Jr. NRA Marksmen that takes place at Evens gun world in Orange.

she has just moved on the sling in the prone position and shot a low of 30 and a high of 45 in under 30 mins. she know understands that she has plenty of time to relax and shot slower.

I want to buy a target riffle for here to use when we go. I also want to start taken her to practice with her own riffle.

what are the recommendations you have for me?

thank you
David

[REPR]

I've been loooking at the Savage Rascal lately for my niece and nephew. Comes in many different colors to. Review can be seen here.

[sofbak]

Savage MK I FVT would be a good place to look. You just missed a screaming deal on one here:

http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/vbclassified.php?do=ad&id=44079

Only problem with the FV models in the Savage brand is the crappy synthetic stock. The rifle is a great shooter, but the stock is too flexible, so most people go shopping at Boyd's Stocks to get a laminated replacement.

Root around the Savage forum on rimfirecentral.com for more info

[ejhc11]

This, you can go from single shot to 7 shot magazine when needed.

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/Firearms/xt/XTY.asp

[ccandgc]

Just got my son a CZ 452 Scout. Smaller for kids, still a very accurate CZ. Plus you can take out the single shot mag adapter and put in a 5 or 10 rd. mag.

[Jeffy]

Does it have to be a single-shot? Back in the day we used to hand load our bolt-actions even though they had magazines.

Anschutz. Savage Mark II FVT or MARK I FVT on the cheaper end. Used Winchester 52 or Remington 37 or 40X, Mossberg M44. Maybe a CZ455 Varmint.

[Swif]

My daughter is 13 and I have seen some very small riffles that are to small for here. The riffle she used at the range I think is a savage rascal or the Savage Mark II FVT. The one she has her name is is just too long for her to hold on her shoulder and allow her to pull the bolt.

Some mentioned a "sight" or "straight site". they said the build of the riffle is very good and the Q.A . for the riffle is very good. They also mentioned that accuracy of the riffle is very good. The problem I am having is I don't know who makes the riffle.

I have seen the CZ at the store today, but no peep sight on the riffle.

I would be ok with a mag riffle as long as she could hand load to learn at to take time when shooting.

I am thinking of spending not more then $350 max. Of course buying a riffle cheaper is better as long as the quality is still there for use.

Thank for the input.

[baih777]

have you seen these.

http://www.henryrepeating.com/rifle-minibolt.cfm

[Swif]

The henry ;oops nice. I would have to see one in her hands to see if she is too big for it right now. Definitely something to look at for my younger daughter when she gets 8.

Thanks for the help. I busted emailed the rep for Jr NRA to see what he has to say. I let you guys know to see what you think.

[23's Dad]

Smallbore Rifles

Swif,

Has her coach told you that the rifle stock is too long? Has he rechecked her prone position and equipment set-up when she's having trouble? Often times a prone rifle with a length of pull (LOP) that is too long or handstop too far forward will cause the shooter to angle their body too much, and give them difficulty in reaching the loading port. Her coach can tell her if she is not oriented properly.

The fact is, you can't get what you want for under $350. Most position shooting in smallbore is done with a fancy European made rifle (read Anschutz, Walther, FWB, etc.). The most important thing about position shooting rifles is the fit of the rifle and the ergonomics of the stock. Too many adjustment options can send you down a rabbit hole too.

How much research & reading have you done on this? I like "Rifle: Steps to Success: Steps to Success" by Launi Meili. This is a good introduction to the sport, and she covers rifle fit & equipment. "WAYS OF THE RIFLE 2009" is a steeper investment and is a graduate level instruction on 3P shooting.

Unless your daughter is really struggling with her rifle, and the coach agrees, I'd spend my $350 on equipment to make her life easier. Do you have a shooting mat, and a shooting glove that FITS? Her own sling? A shooting sweater & jacket? Get some of the equipment that fits her, and makes her comfortable, and she won't rush her shooting to get through the discomfort.

Keep using the club's rifles until she is 1) Committed to this sport enough to warrant a fairly pricey rifle. 2) Strong enough to handle a 3P rifle well. 3) Slowing down on growing.

I'm working on my smallbore shooting and shoot at EGSW regularly. If you see a 6' tall, mid-40's, white guy in a black and grey leather ISU jacket, shooting four positions on Saturdays, introduce yourself. I'll show you what I'm shooting that day, and let you and your daughter try it out. Alternatively you can shoot me a PM and I can let you know if/when I'll be at EGSW on Saturday.

[johnjohn301]

If you have not already, you should take a look at the CMP. They are a major sponsor of Jr programs all over the country.

Check the .22 Target Commercial tab on this web page. http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/rifles.htm

Tons of great info and good deals on equipment.

JJ

[Swif]

Swif,

Has her coach told you that the rifle stock is too long? Has he rechecked her prone position and equipment set-up when she's having trouble? Often times a prone rifle with a length of pull (LOP) that is too long or handstop too far forward will cause the shooter to angle their body too much, and give them difficulty in reaching the loading port. Her coach can tell her if she is not oriented properly.

The fact is, you can't get what you want for under $350. Most position shooting in smallbore is done with a fancy European made rifle (read Anschutz, Walther, FWB, etc.). The most important thing about position shooting rifles is the fit of the rifle and the ergonomics of the stock. Too many adjustment options can send you down a rabbit hole too.

How much research & reading have you done on this? I like "Rifle: Steps to Success: Steps to Success" by Launi Meili. This is a good introduction to the sport, and she covers rifle fit & equipment. "WAYS OF THE RIFLE 2009" is a steeper investment and is a graduate level instruction on 3P shooting.

Unless your daughter is really struggling with her rifle, and the coach agrees, I'd spend my $350 on equipment to make her life easier. Do you have a shooting mat, and a shooting glove that FITS? Her own sling? A shooting sweater & jacket? Get some of the equipment that fits her, and makes her comfortable, and she won't rush her shooting to get through the discomfort.

Keep using the club's rifles until she is 1) Committed to this sport enough to warrant a fairly pricey rifle. 2) Strong enough to handle a 3P rifle well. 3) Slowing down on growing.

I'm working on my smallbore shooting and shoot at EGSW regularly. If you see a 6' tall, mid-40's, white guy in a black and grey leather ISU jacket, shooting four positions on Saturdays, introduce yourself. I'll show you what I'm shooting that day, and let you and your daughter try it out. Alternatively you can shoot me a PM and I can let you know if/when I'll be at EGSW on Saturday.

When she first shot last weekend she did well. I noticed when she was setting up that she did not have the rifle correctly on her shoulder. I had her try to place it erectly, but she said it was uncomfortable. So I let her do her thing.

When the coach seen she shot 55 round in under 30 min he told her that she can shot again. I went out of the range to allow other parents from the 2nd round of shooting to go in and watch there kids. I did not see what the coach was doing to figure the riffle was to long. My daughter showed me her second target and we could see that she had done much worse. that is when she told me the coach told her the rifle was too long as she could not reach the bolt to reload with the riffle correctly placed on her shoulder. she also stated when she tried to close the bolt she could not.

As far as gloves, sling, and mats she does not have any. We use the mats and sling from the range. I have thought about picking up some gloves and a sling for her so we not it is set just for her.

The book you mention I will defiantly look for it for us to read. My daughter is definitely into the sport and enjoys the challenge of moving up to the next position. She took 4 weekends to clear prone. Each week she we went she moved up in prone until she reached sling prone. This is a hard one for her as she is not used to stabling the riffle with her hand.

Once I also her form one of the trains I will most likely hold off on a riffle until we get the book , gloves, and her own sling.

Thank you guys for the info.

[Swif]

If you have not already, you should take a look at the CMP. They are a major sponsor of Jr programs all over the country.

Check the .22 Target Commercial tab on this web page. http://www.odcmp.com/Sales/rifles.htm

Tons of great info and good deals on equipment.

JJ

Thank you for showing me this. I will spend some time looking at the web sight.

the riffle she uses is the Savage Mark I-FVT.

[Safety1st]

CZ 455 FS mannlicher is very nice. A real classy looking .22lr IMO.

[Izzy43]

I am looking for good information on what to look at for my daughter. she is apart of the Jr. NRA Marksmen that takes place at Evens gun world in Orange.

she has just moved on the sling in the prone position and shot a low of 30 and a high of 45 in under 30 mins. she know understands that she has plenty of time to relax and shot slower.

I want to buy a target riffle for here to use when we go. I also want to start taken her to practice with her own riffle.

what are the recommendations you have for me?

thank you
David

To echo another post, it will be difficult to get a quality target rifle with good aperture sights + tax + fees for $350.

Here is a link to a Russian made target rifle, the Izmash CM-2. They have a youth model and though I don't own one the Russians have been using this rifle for many years in International competition and doing very well. They are not pretty but apparently shoot very well:http://www.mtguns.com/cm-2.htm MTguns is located in Santa Barbara, Ca. Might want to contact them directly and discuss this rifle. They might even have some used ones.

Edit: Picture of the Izmash CM-2 Youth Rifle: http://www.mtguns.com/images/Cm2_Youth.jpg

Its an option worth looking into in my opinion but do the research on it as I don't have first hand knowledge of the rifle, just what I have read about it.

While the Savage MK I -FVT is a fine rifle, by the time you purchase it, pay transfer fees + tax + DROS + a new stock you'll have a lot of $$ in that rifle.