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  • Paul053
    Senior Member
    • May 2011
    • 1061

    What is the proper twist for rim fire?

    Reason I ask is because I'm looking into the CMMG Evolution drop in kit for my 556 ar with a 1:7in twist But then started thinking about the dedicated upper from CMMG which comes with a 1:15in twist. Will the high spin caused by my ARs twist rate cause .22 rounds to disintegrate?
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    Chaos47
    Calguns Addict
    • Apr 2010
    • 6615

    Disintegrate?
    They wouldn't sell rimfire drop in bolts if they could make 22lr disintegrate...

    How do you even think that it would disintegrate anyways? Its a 40 grain hunk of lead.. its not going to turn to powder. The force is propelling the bullet... for it to disintegrate it would need to impact something.

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    • #3
      Fjold
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      • Oct 2005
      • 23060

      The 1:7" twist is for heavier, jacketed, centerfire 22 bullets. The short rimfire (swaged lead) bullets use the 1:15" twist.
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      • #4
        G-forceJunkie
        Calguns Addict
        • Jul 2010
        • 6474

        Most dedicated rimfires are about 1 in 16.

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        • #5
          ejhc11
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 1214

          My CMMG 22LR upper is 1:16. Drop-in conversions will work but will be less accurate than a dedicated 22LR upper, and your bullet impact will be off from your centerfire ammo zero unless you adjust.

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          • #6
            CSACANNONEER
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            • Dec 2006
            • 44094

            Proper twist rate has more to do with bullet profile, caliber and weight. It hs nothing to do with the type of primer the cartridge has. Even if we forget about all rimfires other than .22lrs, no twist rate will be idael for all .22lr ammo.
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            • #7
              call-in
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2011
              • 646

              Maybe the Aguila 60gr SSS would shoot better out of the 1:7 barrel? I thought I read somewhere that the ideal twist rate for this ammo is 1:11 but people say it shoots fine out of a 1:7.
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              • #8
                Izzy43
                CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
                • Dec 2009
                • 2670

                Originally posted by call-in
                Maybe the Aguila 60gr SSS would shoot better out of the 1:7 barrel? I thought I read somewhere that the ideal twist rate for this ammo is 1:11 but people say it shoots fine out of a 1:7.
                Rumor has it that the 60 gr SSS likes a 1:9 twist rate.

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                • #9
                  donw
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2010
                  • 1754

                  my spikes tactical ST-22 is 1:16, a dedicated .22 rimfire AR...the 5.56 uppers for it are 1:9.

                  1:16 is the most common twist rate for the .22 cal rimfire.

                  a few years ago, i had a NEF .223 that in the owners manual, it cautioned against using bullets heavier than 55 grains in it's 1:12 twist rate, that they would suffer a degraded accuracy factor. and IIRC, it said the bullet could spin as fast as 103,000 rpm causing problems.
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                  • #10
                    JAGACIDA
                    Senior Member
                    • Dec 2009
                    • 1211

                    Marlin Model 60 is a 1 in16 twist. 11 million sold.

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                    • #11
                      SDM44
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2010
                      • 3899

                      My 15-22 is 1:16 twist rate. Most .22LR barrels are 1:16

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                      • #12
                        darqhelmet
                        Member
                        • Jul 2010
                        • 467

                        CMMG Upper 1:16
                        Marlin 795 1:16
                        Sig 522 1:16
                        GSG 5 1:16
                        Green barrel replacements for 10/22 1:16 or 1:9 for the "subsonic Sniper" Barrels.

                        1:16 seems to be the most common twist for .22LR
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                        • #13
                          shadow65
                          Senior Member
                          • Oct 2010
                          • 1301

                          CMMG is 1/16.
                          The 60 gr. Aguilla works well in a 1/9.
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                          • #14
                            Fjold
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 23060

                            Originally posted by donw
                            my spikes tactical ST-22 is 1:16, a dedicated .22 rimfire AR...the 5.56 uppers for it are 1:9.

                            1:16 is the most common twist rate for the .22 cal rimfire.

                            a few years ago, i had a NEF .223 that in the owners manual, it cautioned against using bullets heavier than 55 grains in it's 1:12 twist rate, that they would suffer a degraded accuracy factor. and IIRC, it said the bullet could spin as fast as 103,000 rpm causing problems.
                            Bullets heavier than 55 grains would not stabilize in your NEF because they are being spun to slowly to stabilize them. 1:12 twist is slow.

                            A bullet shot at 3,000 fps out of a 1:6" twist barrel would be spinning at 360,000 RPM.
                            Out of a 1:9" twist barrel it would be spinning at 270,000 RPM
                            Out of a 1:12" twist barrel it would be spinning at 180,000 RPM
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                            • #15
                              Paul053
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2011
                              • 1061

                              Disintegrate probably isn't the proper word. I recall reading an article that if you spun a bullet too fast it can cause a non jacketed round to come apart. The previous post said a 1/7 spins a round at 300,000rpm vs a 1/16 at almost half that.

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