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  • Izzy43
    CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
    • Dec 2009
    • 2670

    .22 Ammo, some thoughts on Bulk

    There was a recent thread titled, "Cheap Ammo, What's the Point" that received a lot of posts and it got me thinking. So today I went out with the intention of seeing if there is a point. As some may already know most cheap, bulk ammo is high velocity and some of its inaccuracy is attributed to the fact that it transitions thru the sound barrier (goes subsonic) before it travels 50 yds. Well some quick calculations show that its actually around 46 yds +/- environmental conditions.

    So I set up targets @ 40 yds to test the grouping of 4 different inexpensive ammos. This testing is short on data, no control groups and is not meant to be the definitive test on the grouping of this ammo. Consider it anecdotal. I used two different known good shooting rifles. A CZ Ultralux and a Savage MKII BTVS. Both rifles are capable of sub moa groups @ 50 yds with Wolf Match Target ammo.

    The ammo selected was Federal Automatch 40 gr, round nose, 1200fps. American Eagle 38gr, hollow point, 1260fps. CCI Blazer 40gr, round nose, 1235fps. Aguila Match Target 40 gr, round nose, 1100fps. Tha Aquila may be a little fast depending on which information we chose to believe. One website says its 1200fps. It is certainly louder than standard velocity ammo but since I don't have a chronograph I am unsure of its actual velocity. It is the most expensive ammo in this test @ $3/50 but certainly not Match Grade.

    I have used all this ammo before @ 50yds and none of it shot what I could call good groups out of these rifles. An occasional 3/4" group with the Federal AutoMatch but the norm was about 1" with the CZ. The other ammo brands grouped about the same or worse. The Aguila normally had 1-2 fliers out of 5 that ruined the group.

    The results of the test with the CZ:
    1. Federal Automatch groups were 5/8" and 3/4"
    2. American Eagle groups 3/4"
    3. CCI Blazer group was 7/16"
    4. Aguila Match Target group was 1/4"

    The results of the test with the Savage:
    1. Federal Automatch groups were 1/2" and 2 1/4". This large group was caused by what were clearly different powder loads in the 5 shots. I clearly heard a different report with each shot.
    2. American Eagle groups were 3/4" and 7/8".
    3. CCI Blazer groups were 1 1/8" and 1 1/4". Its clear that this rifle does not like this ammo.
    4. Aguila Match Target group was 9/16"

    It should be noted that the Savage is very, very picky about ammo and really only shoots match grade ammo well.

    So what I learned here is that shooting bulk (inexpensive ammo) at less than 50yds can produce some acceptable groups if acceptable is 3/4". Based on my experience with shooting this same ammo @ 50yds I believe that the transition thru the sound barrier does have some effect on accuracy. I leave it to the experts to determine out how much. The best improvement in the ammo was with the Aguila, expecially in the Savage as previously @ 50 yds it basically looked like a shotgun pattern.

    All shots were made from a homemade bench with a Caldwell Rock Benchrest front rest and rear bag rest. Both rifles with 20X scopes.

    So take this for what you feel its worth. At least I had fun doing it. Targets are attached.
    Last edited by Izzy43; 01-05-2012, 3:39 PM.
  • #2
    roushstage2
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 2782

    Depends on what you are doing with the .22 I suppose. I buy bulk ammo because I just like to go out and shoot. I'm not doing match/competition target shooting. If the bullets group ~1", I'm happy. It still kills the soda cans, paper, etc., the same way.

    Thanks for doing some testing for everyone too!

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    • #3
      sofbak
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2010
      • 2628

      I know what you mean about savages being picky with ammo. I have a MKII that gets along fairly well with winchester bulk from walmart. At 50 yds, I can get these groups regularly.

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      Based on your reports, I might try it at 40 to see if they improve. But I always get better groups with the wolf mt
      Tire kickers gonna kick,
      Nose pickers gonna pick
      I and others know the real

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      • #4
        Izzy43
        CGSSA Rimfire Coordinator
        • Dec 2009
        • 2670

        Originally posted by sofbak
        I know what you mean about savages being picky with ammo. I have a MKII that gets along fairly well with winchester bulk from walmart. At 50 yds, I can get these groups regularly.

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        Based on your reports, I might try it at 40 to see if they improve. But I always get better groups with the wolf mt
        I think I'll try some of the Winchester, those are pretty darn good groups with that ammo.

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        • #5
          sofbak
          Veteran Member
          • Aug 2010
          • 2628

          Originally posted by Izzy43
          I think I'll try some of the Winchester, those are pretty darn good groups with that ammo.
          Best of luck-remember these savages each have a personality all their own.

          I tried every ammo in your list, and got disappointing groups with each. But the winnie seems to run well in other rimfires I have including a Hi-Standard Sentinel, rimfire kits in a sig p220 (factory kit) and a Springfield 1911 (Marvel kit).

          The "555" box is a better value than the "333" box (cost per round) at the local WM here.
          Tire kickers gonna kick,
          Nose pickers gonna pick
          I and others know the real

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          • #6
            I have a gub
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2011
            • 38

            Bulk Winchester

            Izzy....I have plenty of bulk Winchester that I'd be happy to give you....the FTF's in the Marlin and the 22a make me crazy.

            Worth less than the .17 HMR rounds I fired....
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UHOgkDbVqc

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            • #7
              NorCalDustin
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 1463

              Originally posted by roushstage2
              Depends on what you are doing with the .22 I suppose. I buy bulk ammo because I just like to go out and shoot. I'm not doing match/competition target shooting. If the bullets group ~1", I'm happy. It still kills the soda cans, paper, etc., the same way.

              Thanks for doing some testing for everyone too!
              Thats how I feel.
              Originally posted by BannedinBritain
              The only dumb question is the one you don't ask...and get arrested for later.

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              • #8
                DCF
                Senior Member
                • Jun 2009
                • 1188

                Thanks for the info. Now I know I need to buy some standard velocity ammo for 50 yds and above. For pistols at 15 yds or less, I prefer the cheapest bulk ammo regardless of velocity.

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                • #9
                  JAGACIDA
                  Senior Member
                  • Dec 2009
                  • 1211

                  Izzy, that's good stuff. I'm amazed at the Aguila at that distance. It proves the adage: every gun is different.

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                  • #10
                    BuckleNose
                    CGSSA Leader
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 499

                    .22

                    Thanks for taking the time and sharing. I only shoot bulk and unpredictability seems to be the rule.
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