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  • AIbandit
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2011
    • 24

    Laws covering rimfire

    Hi I'm looking to move back into California. I've gotten my AR set up and ready to go but now I'm looking to get a M&P 15-22 before I head down. Following the flow chart is just says no AW laws against rimfire. Well are there any laws against it? Any features it can't have? mag size limitations?
    Thank you!
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    FBJR
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2009
    • 10

    They are legal here but only with a 10 rnd magazine.

    Basically the AW law is for any centerfire firearm, the 10 round mag law is universal here for new mags of any caliber.

    Remember, even if you have hi cap mags for your AR they are illegal to bring into the state.
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    • #3
      Merc1138
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Feb 2009
      • 19742

      Originally posted by FBJR
      They are legal here but only with a 10 rnd magazine.

      Basically the AW law is for any centerfire firearm, the 10 round mag law is universal here for new mags of any caliber.

      Remember, even if you have hi cap mags for your AR they are illegal to bring into the state.
      No, the AW laws apply to rimfire handguns as well. It's just that there is no AW law banning non-NFA rimfire long guns.

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        shadow65
        Senior Member
        • Oct 2010
        • 1301

        Can you bring high cap mags into CA if they are disassembled?

        Originally posted by FBJR
        They are legal here but only with a 10 rnd magazine.

        Basically the AW law is for any centerfire firearm, the 10 round mag law is universal here for new mags of any caliber.

        Remember, even if you have hi cap mags for your AR they are illegal to bring into the state.
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        • #5
          Nitrostix
          Junior Member
          • Jun 2011
          • 50

          Yes, but if you assemble them here then they are illegal, since you have 'manufactured' a magazine in excess of 10 rounds.
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          • #6
            Quiet
            retired Goon
            • Mar 2007
            • 30242

            Originally posted by shadow65
            Can you bring high cap mags into CA if they are disassembled?
            You can legally import magazine parts and use those parts to assemble a permanent 10 round or less magazine. [PC 12020(c)(25)(A)]

            If you use those magazine parts to assemble a large capacity (11+ round) magazine, then that would be illegal (felony) because you will be manufacturing a large capacity magazine in CA after 01-01-2000.



            Penal Code 12020
            (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:
            (2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.
            (c)(25) As used in this section, "large-capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include any of the following:
            (A) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
            (B) A .22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
            (C) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
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            • #7
              CSACANNONEER
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              • Dec 2006
              • 44093

              There are no AW laws for rimfire LONG GUNS. There is no distinction between rimfire and centerfire handguns when it comes to Ca AW laws though. I just felt the need to clarify this before someone assumed something and committed a crime.

              Since you are moving "back to Ca", you can legally bring back any +10 round magazines which you possessed in Ca before 1-1-2000.
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              • #8
                AIbandit
                Junior Member
                • Aug 2011
                • 24

                Originally posted by CSACANNONEER
                Since you are moving "back to Ca", you can legally bring back any +10 round magazines which you possessed in Ca before 1-1-2000.
                Does anyone know if AR-15 .22lr conversion mags work in a M&P 15-22?

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                • #9
                  Lead Waster
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 16650

                  If you had "high cap" magazines, owned legally by you, and you didn't disassemble them but rather broke them somehow, but also purchased the part you'd need to fix them, is that OK legally?

                  I know people by "rebuld kits" to fix their ancient mags, but if you had new high caps that belong to you out of state, and are honestly broken (even if you broke them). And I mean broken, not just disassembled. Like you broke the followers off. But you also honestly purchased a repair part. That's all on the up and up, correct? YOu are not manufacturing and you are actually repairing it.

                  Oh, nevermind, I just realized that you are still importing them if you bring them into the state because there is no distinction between "working high cap" and "broken high cap".

                  Nevermind. I'll just leave the post here for "discussion fodder" as I spent the time to write it before realizing the error in my thinking.
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                  • #10
                    Quiet
                    retired Goon
                    • Mar 2007
                    • 30242

                    Originally posted by AIbandit
                    Does anyone know if AR-15 .22lr conversion mags work in a M&P 15-22?
                    They do not.

                    The S&W M&P-15/22 uses proprietary magazines.

                    The Colt/Umarex M-4 .22LR and H&K/Umarex HK-416 .22LR uses proprietary magazines.

                    The ISSC MK-22 uses proprietary magazines.

                    The SIGarms SIG-522 and Kel-Tec SU-22 uses standard AR15 .22LR conversion magazines.
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                    • #11
                      AIbandit
                      Junior Member
                      • Aug 2011
                      • 24

                      Thank you sir

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                      • #12
                        shadow65
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2010
                        • 1301

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